Virginia Tech Rampage

[helpme848]

Whether or not you read the news or not, 32 people were killed at Virginia Tech today, then the gunman committed suicide. Here's the report: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Virginia_Tech_Shootings

Discuss.

[Neon]

Yeah I saw that berely right now when I got back from school. I wonder what was going on in his mind prior to the shooting and during. Something really big must have set him off, I doubt it was terrorist activity. I think this is the biggest masacre in history.

[imprincess_tiger]

I read about it. 21 people where killed the other 11 were wounded. I heard about as the news on the nor' easter was going on. My family and I got hit back.

[helpme848]

School - Shooting - Wise It Probably Is, Neon.

Jesus Christ, 32 People...

I Guess It Was Just One Guy...

Noone Else Involved... = \

[Kyrin]

Does anyone know why the massacre happened? What was going through their (I think it was a he but I'm not sure so I'll remain neutral on that one) mind? Why...?

[Ole'ScarHead]

please don't metion this-my cuz lives down there and i'm worried.......

[Neon]

please don't metion this-my cuz lives down there and i'm worried.......

It's pretty hard to ingore...even if you want to.

[helpme848]

please don't metion this-my cuz lives down there and i'm worried.......

I'm really sorry, hope they are okay.

Does anyone know why the massacre happened? What was going through their (I think it was a he but I'm not sure so I'll remain neutral on that one) mind? Why...?

I've got no idea... I wish I knew...


[[ PS: Ingore? oO ]]

[Neon]

Does anyone know why the massacre happened? What was going through their (I think it was a he but I'm not sure so I'll remain neutral on that one) mind? Why...?

It was a he, right now since the case is freshly new they have no idea of anything, not his name, relations...ect. He had no ID, he blew his head off, and his fingerprints were undetectable..
PS. Ignore, she doesn't want to know about it right? So she would ignore it if she doesn't want it mentioned? Not like she is..

[Ole'ScarHead]

I'm really sorry, hope they are okay.



I've got no idea... I wish I knew...


[[ PS: Ingore? oO ]]

ignore what? wishing you knew is nothing to be ashamed of-curiosity did not kill the cat, stupidity did^.^so dont worry like that- that is my job......

[helpme848]

Actually I was referring to the post above mines... It says ingore... ><

But that's okay.

Anyways, back to the topic... ><

[Ole'ScarHead]

oh...god! i am so stupid right now-sorry.....

[helpme848]

Nah, I should've said who I was directing the message to... ><

I'm not so smart.

I just have issues with typos... = \

[helpme848]

I guess it wasn't a very important discussion... = \

I mean, it was only 33 deaths...

Hmmm...

Well, I guess maybe people are waiting for more news on it.

[[ I hope... ]]

[Kyrin]

I guess it wasn't a very important discussion... = \

I mean, it was only 33 deaths...

Hmmm...

Well, I guess maybe people are waiting for more news on it.

[[ I hope... ]]


Only 33 deaths by violence? That's 33 deaths more than there should be.

[helpme848]

I was trying to make a point there... ><

And I'm pretty sure you understood... << >>

[NinjaMouse]

Very sad, it's the only my dad is watching and it kills me becausae we live onl thrree hours from campus, and I acutally applied to go there in the fall..........May god bless familes of the victims.

[Kyrin]

I was trying to make a point there... ><

And I'm pretty sure you understood... << >>

I wasn't sure which way you were spinning it. Sorry.

[fighterkid]

It's so sad. I hope the victims will rest in peace and the gunmen will rot in Hell.
Good luck to the family and friends from the victims cause this is so awful.

R.I.P.

[CowBelle]

Police identified the classroom shooter as 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui (pronounced Choh Suhng-whee) of South Korea. There was no indication Tuesday of a possible motive for the attacks.


Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target — just taking out anybody he could."


The shooting began about 7:15 a.m. on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston, a high-rise coed dormitory where two people died.

Police were still investigating around 9:15 a.m., when a gunman wielding two handguns and carrying multiple clips of ammunition stormed Norris Hall, a classroom building a half-mile away on the other side of the 2,600-acre campus.

At least 20 people were taken to hospitals after the second attack, some seriously injured. Many found themselves trapped after someone, apparently the shooter, chained and locked Norris Hall doors from the inside.

Students jumped from windows, and students and faculty carried away some of the wounded without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

Inside Norris, the attack began with a thunderous sound from Room 206 — "what sounded like an enormous hammer," said Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old junior who was in a solid mechanics lecture in a classroom next door.

Screams followed an instant later, and the banging continued. When students realized the sounds were gunshots, Calhoun said, he started flipping over desks to make hiding places. Others dashed to the windows of the second-floor classroom, kicking out the screens and jumping from the ledge of Room 204, he said.

"I must've been the eighth or ninth person who jumped, and I think I was the last," said Calhoun, of Waynesboro, Va. He landed in a bush and ran.

Calhoun said that the two students behind him were shot, but that he believed they survived. Just before he climbed out the window, Calhoun said, he turned to look at his professor, who had stayed behind, apparently to prevent the gunman from opening the door.

The instructor was killed, Calhoun said.

*Quotes taken from the Associated Press

[AlcTrCKaD]

my cousin goes to that school.....and her friend died

[Caoko]

my cousin goes to that school.....and her friend died

I'm SO sorry. My prayers go out to you and your cousin. And everyone for that matter.

My grandma says that the firstish girl that he killed was his ex girlfriend. I'm not sure if that's true or not. But, I can kind of see him having a reason for that. Don't get me wrong, it's horrible. But, if the break up was that bad, then I can kind of see the reason for that.
I can't see his reason for the others though. I don't see what could drive him to do that. My grandma also told me that he wrote dark things for his language arts/writing class. But, everyone (mostly) goes through that time period in their life when they just feel dark and alone and everything. He must've been real darn bad off.

I'd say more, but my thoughts are all jumbled.

[AlcTrCKaD]

I'm SO sorry. My prayers go out to you and your cousin. And everyone for that matter.

My grandma says that the firstish girl that he killed was his ex girlfriend. I'm not sure if that's true or not. But, I can kind of see him having a reason for that. Don't get me wrong, it's horrible. But, if the break up was that bad, then I can kind of see the reason for that.
I can't see his reason for the others though. I don't see what could drive him to do that. My grandma also told me that he wrote dark things for his language arts/writing class. But, everyone (mostly) goes through that time period in their life when they just feel dark and alone and everything. He must've been real darn bad off.

I'd say more, but my thoughts are all jumbled.

yea he was arguing with an ex and the RA came in to break it up and he shot them both....still 29 more people?!

[Caoko]

yea he was arguing with an ex and the RA came in to break it up and he shot them both....still 29 more people?!

Yeah! And they were totally random people! He had no grudges against them!
And if was gonna kill himself anyway, why not before he killed 32 people?

[okami-san]

Thats highly idiotic.. What makes people want to take the life of others or themselves?... Nowhere in the Bill of Rights did it say it was ok to kill if you felt like it -_-... Some people should realy think about things before rushing off to do them.. I'd understand pleading Lunacy but I dont see any other reason. -_-

[helpme848]

Yeah! And they were totally random people! He had no grudges against them!
And if was gonna kill himself anyway, why not before he killed 32 people?

Well if you're gonna take yourself out, might as well take a few people with you. = \

Hmm.

[Caoko]

Well if you're gonna take yourself out, might as well take a few people with you. = \

Hmm.

Dx Not 32 people!

[helpme848]

>< Well, yeah. But if you're gonna go kill someone you might as well do something HUGE and get yourself on the news. Fame after death... << >>

I'm just guessing here.

[Caoko]

>< Well, yeah. But if you're gonna go kill someone you might as well do something HUGE and get yourself on the news. Fame after death... << >>

I'm just guessing here.

... True.
But I still think it was totally wrong.

[helpme848]

Definately wrong.

Rest In Peace. <3

[Caoko]

Agreed. ><

[blondeatheart]

i cant believe that happend its just terrible and he is such a wimp to killl him self. if he was going to kill himself why did he need to kill so many others

[LillyPadDooDa]

Yeah, this is horrible. I think that that guy was probably bullied, teased and ridiculed. That's probably what set him off...someone teasing him. Just something simple like that. It's hard to believe one person could kill 32 people and himself, but it happened and we need to be strong.

It was the biggest Mass Murder in U.S. History.:mad:

[GlitchGirl]

It's beeing listed as the biggest one man shooting to date, not mass murder (that honor goes to several cults sadly)

The guy who did this was already very unstable according to all reports. He'd been under psychiatric evaluation before, about a year ago after he kept calling and messaging two women and would not stop. More recently, he'd been urged to get counseling, but never did. Apparenlty he also idolized the two students responsible for the Columbine High massacre several years back.

Apparently he sent a video manifesto to NBC news not long before he started his rampage.

Here's more on that tape and the killer: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[helpme848]

This is going to sound really horrible but...

The more I hear about the guy and the shooting and everything, the more I feel bad for him...

[SasukeChan]

The kid was a nobody,nobody really knew him or cared about him.He did to be noticed,to be remembered.Bad attention is better than none at all.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

Yeah, i can't beleivehe took pictures of himself posing and sent them to NBC.... O.O

I don't feel bad for the guy, i fell bad for the people he shot, one dude was majoring in like 4 subects or somtehing and had a high average. He killed some promising young sstudents, ad for him, well even if he didn't do that, he was psychotic, with his violent and disturbing writing.

The school was shut down and hour after all of this, wow...... shows how great they staff are. -_-

[unloved_forever]

I just couldn't believe it when I heard about it!

[emo_is_the_new_black]

Well he got what he wanted... People noticed him.
God, if he wanted to be noticed he should have shot himself in the middle of the campus, not kill 32 people that were actually worth something.

[unloved_forever]

Well he got what he wanted... People noticed him.
God, if he wanted to be noticed he should have shot himself in the middle of the campus, not kill 32 people that were actually worth something.
I think he had just broke up from his Girlfriend, I don't think he was actually 'attention seeking'.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

I think he had just broke up from his Girlfriend, I don't think he was actually 'attention seeking'.

He sen't pictures to NBC of himself posing with guns and knives, so that they had a good photo for the news. So yeah, i think he was attention seeking.

[unloved_forever]

He sen't pictures to NBC of himself posing with guns and knives, so that they had a good photo for the news. So yeah, i think he was attention seeking.
He obviously had something mentally wrong with him, since he had no reason whatsoever for killing 31 of those people.

[fighterkid]

The videotape and the pictures of him were so disgusting. I hope he will rot in Hell :mad:

[emo_is_the_new_black]

He obviously had something mentally wrong with him, since he had no reason whatsoever for killing 31 of those people.

Yeah, he was sort of a psycho

Hmmm..... well i sort of feel bad for him, apparentally he was a loner.

[unloved_forever]

Yeah, he was sort of a psycho

Hmmm..... well i sort of feel bad for him, apparentally he was a loner.
Yeah.
I'm not saying what he did was right, it was awful and I'm pleased he killed himself too, so he couldn't hurt anymore innocent people.
I just think you have to look into things a bit more because no-one kills 32 people then commits suicide for no reason.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

Yeah.
I'm not saying what he did was right, it was awful and I'm pleased he killed himself too, so he couldn't hurt anymore innocent people.
I just think you have to look into things a bit more because no-one kills 32 people then commits suicide for no reason.

Yeah, apparentally pretty much everyone ignored him. So that was his way of getting their attention, although...... it was a bit extreme. It may have not been only an attention seeking thing, he may have got mad that they didn't pay attetion to him, so he wanted revenge :confused:

[unloved_forever]

Yeah, apparentally pretty much everyone ignored him. So that was his way of getting their attention, although...... it was a bit extreme. It may have not been only an attention seeking thing, he may have got mad that they didn't pay attetion to him, so he wanted revenge :confused:
He had a traumatic break-up with his girlfriend. She was one of the first two people he killed.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

He had a traumatic break-up with his girlfriend. She was one of the first two people he killed.

Yep, a bit of a creepy way of revenge, i mean... if it were me I would tosse a hamburger O.o

[unloved_forever]

Yep, a bit of a creepy way of revenge, i mean... if it were me I would tosse a hamburger O.o
But he did have something mentally wrong with him, I'm not sure if that was a result of the break-up.
I'm not sure what I'd do, I'd want to kill them but I could never do that.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

But he did have something mentally wrong with him, I'm not sure if that was a result of the break-up.
I'm not sure what I'd do, I'd want to kill them but I could never do that.

Well, i haven't been broken up with so i don't know how it feels, so it is hard for me to imagine someone hating a person that much over a break-up.

[unloved_forever]

Well, i haven't been broken up with so i don't know how it feels, so it is hard for me to imagine someone hating a person that much over a break-up.
I've never had a break-up either, but I'm trying to imagine.

[emo_is_the_new_black]

I've never had a break-up either, but I'm trying to imagine.

Im the one doing the dumping, anyways, back to the topic.

This guy was obviously damaged, depressed, and psychotic.

This kind of thing happens often in schools, these people shooting, students that could grow up to help save the world n stuff.

[GlitchGirl]

None of the news reports I've read have mentioned an actual girlfriend or a breakup. Not sure where you're getting that information. The two women he harrassed last year who filed a complaint against him were not among the victims though. So far the only mention of a girlfriend of any kind I've found was some testimony from his roommates

Two of his roommates that appeared on television say they scarcely knew him, saying he was quiet, odd, and scary to some women on the campus.

They also said he had an imaginary girlfriend named "Jelly" who called him "Spanky." Cho described his imaginary girlfriend as having the appearance of a supermodel.


Article found here (http://www.salem-news.com/articles/april192007/va_tech_mourns_041907.php)

[Randomgirl]

Okay. I've got a split opinion on this whole thing.

I can see why he did what he did. He was a loner, people, or as he called them, "the rich popular kids" made fun of him. He said his life was hell because of them and that he wanted revenge.
He didn't just kill random people.
He killed the ones who he considered, 'rich, snotty, popular' teens. The jocks, cheerleaders, etc. This is an ultimate example of revenge of the geeks.

BUT, even though I understand his motives, I don't think that it gives him an excuse to do what he did.

[` O r a n g e]

32 People.
Thirty-two.

I wrote a paper about it.

But, I have no sympathy for that guy who shot everyone.
I don't care if he had problems, or what kind of life he had. If he hated it, he should have taken himself and no one else around him.
For whatever reason, school shootings are,
and always will be,
the lowest.

[Randomgirl]

Well, I DO feel sympathy for the devil.

He took revenge on those who he thought deserved it. They made him do it. If they were more careful with what they said, maybe he wouldn't have done such a thing.
School shooting are ALWAYS the same story.
Quiet kid gets picked on & then brings a gun to school to show them all.

[` O r a n g e]

They didn't make them do it. He chose to.

[Randomgirl]

No. You're right. Maybe I should have worded that different.
I should have said, they drove him to.
The human mind can only take so much before it cracks.

[NinjaMouse]

I agree with RAndom girl, the mind can only take so much, I somewhat know how the guy felt I'm alwasy picked on at school and there was times I wanted to just kill the people who causaed it but I talked byself out of it I thought logical because my mind was still able to. THis guy was beyound the point of talking himself out. SO I do feel sympathy for him but I don't Agree with his asctions, because if you get rid of a few someone else will just take there place.

[Randomgirl]

Yes, very, very true.
I didn't expect anyone to share my opinion, NinjaMouse.
I'm the same way, I hated those people who made fun of me, and I wanted them to all die. But I also was still sane enough to talk myself out of doing something I would regret.

[XoColorful-ChickoX]

Yes, very, very true.
I didn't expect anyone to share my opinion, NinjaMouse.
I'm the same way, I hated those people who made fun of me, and I wanted them to all die. But I also was still sane enough to talk myself out of doing something I would regret.
HE IS A CRAZY PERSON!!! his AUNT EVEN SAID IT!! EVER SINCE HE WAS A KID. (&& IM FROM ALABAM!!=D)

[NinjaMouse]

Iguess though that the cycle will never end, I mean there is going to alwasy bee rich popular kids picking on the poor uncool kids, some will learn to deal with it the other wont...... i'm glad to share your opnion RAndomgirl.

[morgan_1216]

Well, i haven't been broken up with so i don't know how it feels, so it is hard for me to imagine someone hating a person that much over a break-up.

being broken up with is a horrible feeling but no reason at all to kill some one. i still wonder why some more serious action wasnt taken when he was like stalking those two girls or w/e or when he was being all disturbing with his english assignments

[helpme848]

There's no reason anyone should kill another person...

But they do.

I still feel bad for him... I can't help it... ><

[morgan_1216]

you must be very compassionate cuz i am one of the nicest ppl i know but i cant feel bad for any one who commits 32 murders

[LillyPadDooDa]

The kid was a nobody,nobody really knew him or cared about him.He did to be noticed,to be remembered.Bad attention is better than none at all.
Okay, I know that this was a post a couple of pages back, but I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!

Bad attention isn't better than not any at all. I would rather be behind the scenes in a movie, not being ridiculed, than being the director or producer and being ridiculed. Bad attention is exactly what caused this. People messing with him and making him phycologically messed up. That's my opinion, but it's still a little wiered to think like that...

[helpme848]

You Aren't Limited To One Post Per Discussion. ><

If You Want To Debate, Feel Free. ^.^

[unloved_forever]

Im the one doing the dumping, anyways, back to the topic.
Well I've never done the dumping or been dumped so Ha!
None of the news reports I've read have mentioned an actual girlfriend or a breakup. Not sure where you're getting that information. The two women he harrassed last year who filed a complaint against him were not among the victims though. So far the only mention of a girlfriend of any kind I've found was some testimony from his roommates
It depends what news station you're watching. I'm in England and that's what they said on the news, so just because his girlfriend wasn't mentioned on your news station, doesn't mean it was worng.

[GlitchGirl]

It depends what news station you're watching. I'm in England and that's what they said on the news, so just because his girlfriend wasn't mentioned on your news station, doesn't mean it was wrong.

I'm not disputing your information, only that I haven't encountered it yet. Can you post a link to the article?

[Drashian]

There are a lot of people that think that he was insane and merciless and should have died and what he did was unforgiveable and he was horrible and all that crap.

I can't even BEGIN to describe how I feel about this. I have immense sympathy for him. If that makes me a horrible person, so be it. He had bee broken up with. He wasn't exactly mentally stable. Nobody seemed to care about him. From the interviews I've seen, everyone disliked him.

What he did was horrible, but that gives people no right to label him as a "bad person." I mean, I don't have the right, either, to label him as a "good person" and all, but the point remains.

In the end, he was a person and we can't dispute that. Almost every philosophy/religion/whatever else that I know of says that we should respect and love all people.

And also, he committed suicide. I can't get into his head, but I have a feeling that he wasn't just doing it to escape prison...

And really, why is everyone SO CONCERNED with him? He's not exactly going to be killing anyone any time soon!

[LillyPadDooDa]

I was reading People Magazine the other day and one classmate said that, 'we tried to help him...include him in things that we did...'

So did they? That is never going to be explained because he's dead now and there is nothing that we can do about it. It's over and it's done with and everyone is in the Healing Process...which is probably the most important thing right now.

I too, have deep, deep sympathy for him. I don't think he deserved to be treated the way he did years before. He didn't do the right thing by any means, but saying that he was a horrible person and he should die in the fiery pits of hell over and over again for the rest of eternity....that's a bit of overreatcting.

[helpme848]

I was reading People Magazine the other day and one classmate said that, 'we tried to help him...include him in things that we did...'

So did they? That is never going to be explained because he's dead now and there is nothing that we can do about it. It's over and it's done with and everyone is in the Healing Process...which is probably the most important thing right now.

I too, have deep, deep sympathy for him. I don't think he deserved to be treated the way he did years before. He didn't do the right thing by any means, but saying that he was a horrible person and he should die in the fiery pits of hell over and over again for the rest of eternity....that's a bit of overreatcting.

I Have An Odd Feeling They Didn't... As I Stated Before, I Feel Bad For Him As Well.