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twilightqueen13
04-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Attention, a few days ago I watched something called "Hate Rock". It was about those who are performers that perform in the name of one of history's most evil humans: Adolf Hitler. They wore swatstikas, did the right arm raise hand of Hitler. Even young children were into it. Hate Rock is an evil genre of music that I am against. It talks about killing Jews and other people. I want to know who is against this evil existence. Please reply. Thank you.

RisingDemon
04-18-2007, 10:06 PM
Attention, a few days ago I watched something called "Hate Rock". It was about those who are performers that perform in the name of one of history's most evil humans: Adolf Hitler. They wore swatstikas, did the right arm raise hand of Hitler. Even young children were into it. Hate Rock is an evil genre of music that I am against. It talks about killing Jews and other people. I want to know who is against this evil existence. Please reply. Thank you.

Although it is a highly offensive and politically incorrect type of music, it makes a good source for showing Nazi ideals in history projects, or political ideals in citizenship lessons, I have heard several of these tracks and frankly I enjoy them, but only because they are a good resource.

twilightqueen13
04-18-2007, 11:42 PM
Although it is a highly offensive and politically incorrect type of music, it makes a good source for showing Nazi ideals in history projects, or political ideals in citizenship lessons, I have heard several of these tracks and frankly I enjoy them, but only because they are a good resource.Now not to put down your taste in music but I think that it's the most evil type of music ever. I have also heard tracks of it and I now completely shun the evil music. It's just as evil as satanic music. I think that it's completely wrong and should not be exposed to children or the world.:mad:

GlitchGirl
04-19-2007, 05:19 PM
I'm actually a casual fan of German Industrial, though not of any of the Hate Bands.

Things in Germany aren't going so hot in general, and it's given rise to some more extreme white supremacy groups to popularity and the Hate Rock that glorifies fascisim.

The problem is, if you have a song with a great hook yet words that preach hate, you're indoctrinating an entire new audience who start thinking it's okay. That I can't support. There've been a couple of songs that, after I looked up the translation of the lyrics, I couldn't listen to them anymore because I suddenly knew what they were singing about and it was kinda creepy. Fanaticism works when the masses don't feel like thinking.

dark_angel_56
04-19-2007, 05:25 PM
theres a girl band called persian blue.....they do the hitler salut and they play games on thier PS thats shooting non-whites

bluddy_roses
04-20-2007, 04:43 PM
theres a girl band called persian blue.....they do the hitler salut and they play games on thier PS thats shooting non-whites

i am gonna search for persian blue sounds cool ^^

fighterkid
04-20-2007, 08:00 PM
i am gonna search for persian blue sounds cool ^^

OMG so you think it's sounds cool. Someone said that they do the hitler salut, and you think that sounds cool :mad:
Well you should be ashamed sanne, especially after what the nazi's have done to our country and the other countries!!

twilightqueen13
04-20-2007, 08:21 PM
Yeah, Fighterkid is right. Hitler and the nazi's were horrible people. And Persian Blue is an awful band. How dare you!:mad:

fighterkid
04-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Yeah, Fighterkid is right. Hitler and the nazi's were horrible people. And Persian Blue is an awful band. How dare you!:mad:

thanks for agree with me ;) It's so sad that someone thinks such a band is cool. Holland was demolished by Hitler and his people. She also live in Holland so i don't understand why she is behaving like that:mad: . My grandparents had horrible times in WW2 :(

twilightqueen13
04-20-2007, 08:52 PM
thanks for agree with me ;) It's so sad that someone thinks such a band is cool. Holland was demolished by Hitler and his people. She also live in Holland so i don't understand why she is behaving like that:mad: . My grandparents had horrible times in WW2 :(
My Oma-German Grandmother- had lost a friend to the camps that the Jewish were imprisoned in. They were best friends and she died. And Hitler was such an evil man. I saw a movie about Ann Frank and I was so disgusted by the images.

fighterkid
04-20-2007, 08:55 PM
My Oma-German Grandmother- had lost a friend to the camps that the Jewish were imprisoned in. They were best friends and she died. And Hitler was such an evil man. I saw a movie about Ann Frank and I was so disgusted by the images.

Ahh that's so sad :(

Hitler was disgusting. I hope someone like that will never be born.

twilightqueen13
04-20-2007, 10:19 PM
Ahh that's so sad :(

Hitler was disgusting. I hope someone like that will never be born.I agree. I was so upset by the movie because it made me feel kinda bad about what happened. Although I know I wasn't related to any nazi's I was still upset. And I also hope that no one like Hitler becomes to be either.

KitsuneNoKoi
04-21-2007, 02:42 AM
This is very tough to take sides on.In America,I'm supposed to have a right to my opinion.Wether it's wrong it right,I can still voice it out.So,if I was a Nazi,wouldn't I have a right to voice my opinion?As long as I don't kill anyone,what's the big deal?
Now,I'm not saying I agree with this,not at all.But,you all can't go and just immedietely wrong.
Another thing,I think that alot of people forget a key characteristic.Ask yourselves this,why do you think it's wrong?Because of what you saw happend?Because of your upbringing?Parents can do so much for their child,so it is alot of the parents' fault.If you're taught to believe something is right,how can you know that it's wrong?Would you hate all terroists because of 9/11?Maybe so.But,you should think of their upbringing before instantly getting upset.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 02:54 AM
I agree with you that neo-naziism is horrible. I also believe revisionism is narrow-minded self-centered idiocy. I do think, though, that as long as they're not emotionally/mentally/physically harming someone else, they are entitled to express their beliefs in an art form, however offensive I find it.

However, this thread is entitled "WW2- What it left behind in Music." I think music that was written by Holocaust victims/survivors and music influenced by such things should be mentioned, as well.

I recently heard a song that had lyrics based off of a poem written in a wall by someone hiding from German troops. I think that the person was captured, but I'm not sure. The song would have been breathtaking if the choir was worth it's salt, but they tried their best, and that's what matters. Can't condemn them for that.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 02:58 AM
Ahh that's so sad :(

Hitler was disgusting. I hope someone like that will never be born.

Hitler's beliefs were disgusting. Hitler was, however, the only one in Germany at that time with the brains and guts to try and reclaim a dying country and perpetuate it. His means were atrocious, and I'm not defending him for having the beliefs he did. But he's the one who has to live with what he did- even in death. I'm just saying that he was also a brilliant politician, like Churchill and FDR.

I agree that I hope no one like him will ever be born again, though. People with those beliefs scare me enough. Anyone with the brains or power enough to enforce those on groups of people absolutely terrify me just thinking about them.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 03:14 AM
Kyrin is right. Hitler was amazing with his speeches.It is such a shame that such a talent for politics had to go to waste in such evil ways.

KitsuneNoKoi
04-21-2007, 03:17 AM
Hitler's beliefs were disgusting. Hitler was, however, the only one in Germany at that time with the brains and guts to try and reclaim a dying country and perpetuate it. His means were atrocious, and I'm not defending him for having the beliefs he did. But he's the one who has to live with what he did- even in death. I'm just saying that he was also a brilliant politician, like Churchill and FDR.

I agree that I hope no one like him will ever be born again, though. People with those beliefs scare me enough. Anyone with the brains or power enough to enforce those on groups of people absolutely terrify me just thinking about them.

I totally agree with you!
I did,however,learn his reason for his hatred againts the Jews....Well,partially.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 03:18 AM
Kyrin is right. Hitler was amazing with his speeches.It is such a shame that such a talent for politics had to go to waste in such evil ways.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

I was talking to a friend about this earlier this week- 3 of the most brilliant political minds were ruling nations at the same time. They could have done something amazing together, but Hitler had different ideas.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 03:20 AM
I totally agree with you!
I did,however,learn his reason for his hatred againts the Jews....Well,partially.

There were several, all based on an erroneous stereotype of the religion. What was the reason you learned?

I took a class on the Holocaust last year, it was very informative.

KitsuneNoKoi
04-21-2007, 03:21 AM
There were several, all based on an erroneous stereotype of the religion. What was the reason you learned?

I took a class on the Holocaust last year, it was very informative.

Thus the "partially" thing.I learned that Hitler never saw any Jews fighting in WW1.Kind of makes sense when you think about,doesn't it?

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 03:28 AM
Thus the "partially" thing.I learned that Hitler never saw any Jews fighting in WW1.Kind of makes sense when you think about,doesn't it?

Yeah, I guess it does...

Several other reasons were that because of the infamous Treaty of Versailles, Germany had incredibly high war debts to pay off- after all, WW1 (known then as the Great War) was the single most destructive force humanity had known until then, including Mother Nature's (I refer to her as Gaia, but I'll say Mother Nature now so you know who I mean) full wrath. The Jews in Western Europe were stereotyped as all being bankers and handled money. Germany was, at the time, in a time of super-inflation. It took a wheelbarrow to bring enough marks to the market to buy a bag of flour. Because the general population thought the Jews had control of much of the money and that they were thought to be corrupt, they were blamed for the deficeit.

I've heard your reason as a valid answer, as well as others, but this was the most prominent. Jews were also viewed as an inferior people genetically, and the pseudo science of eugenics (finding ways to tell how "pure or superior human" people were, this could be considered controlled Darwinism almost. Like Darwinism was trying to be used to improve the race. America was a leader in the "science" of eugenics) claimed that Jews were physically and genetically inferior and certain people wanted to purify the human race into tall, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Arian.

KitsuneNoKoi
04-21-2007, 03:34 AM
Yeah, I guess it does...

Several other reasons were that because of the infamous Treaty of Versailles, Germany had incredibly high war debts to pay off- after all, WW1 (known then as the Great War) was the single most destructive force humanity had known until then, including Mother Nature's (I refer to her as Gaia, but I'll say Mother Nature now so you know who I mean) full wrath. The Jews in Western Europe were stereotyped as all being bankers and handled money. Germany was, at the time, in a time of super-inflation. It took a wheelbarrow to bring enough marks to the market to buy a bag of flour. Because the general population thought the Jews had control of much of the money and that they were thought to be corrupt, they were blamed for the deficeit.

I've heard your reason as a valid answer, as well as others, but this was the most prominent. Jews were also viewed as an inferior people genetically, and the pseudo science of eugenics (finding ways to tell how "pure or superior human" people were, this could be considered controlled Darwinism almost. Like Darwinism was trying to be used to improve the race. America was a leader in the "science" of eugenics) claimed that Jews were physically and genetically inferior and certain people wanted to purify the human race into tall, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Arian.

I know all of that,but I'm just think that during WW1,not even after it was over,it would help to explain Hitler's reasons for discriminating against them.
I think it's spelt Aryan.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 03:39 AM
Thanks for agreeing with me.

I was talking to a friend about this earlier this week- 3 of the most brilliant political minds were ruling nations at the same time. They could have done something amazing together, but Hitler had different ideas.

Did Stalin happen to be one of them?I don't know too much about him, just that he was a tyrant, and had secret police to search out anyone that opposed the government.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 03:45 AM
Did Stalin happen to be one of them?I don't know too much about him, just that he was a tyrant, and had secret police to search out anyone that opposed the government.

I don't count Stalin as one of them. The three I was referring to were FDR, Churchill and Hitler. All three of them knew exactly what to say and when to say it in relation to the times to get themselves elected and keep the public in their country happy with them. Seeing as very few leaders are brilliant politicians like that, they really were unique.
All three of them led their countries out of difficult times, as well. FDR got America out of the Great Depression, Churchill helped Britain deal with the Blitzkrieg in WWII and Hitler led Germany from utter poverty to being a world power enough to conquer Europe from France to Russia. The conquering and genocide and dictatorship were where he screwed up. But you see my point, right?

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 03:58 AM
Oh I definantly see your point.lol I aggree with you.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:02 AM
Oh I definantly see your point.lol I aggree with you.

Sweet. Something I'm saying makes sense tonight haha...thanks for explaining to me what she meant in Moulin Rouge, by the way.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:07 AM
Oh..yeah lol. That Rp is getting pretty good.^_^

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:10 AM
Oh..yeah lol. That Rp is getting pretty good.^_^

Mhm. Mistress just needs to stop having a social life and post again.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:14 AM
Well, that's a pretty large request.lol

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:15 AM
Well, that's a pretty large request.lol

Haha yeah...I don't have a social life.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:17 AM
Me either actuelly...but I sort of choose not too. I feel too out of my comfort zone..which is home.^_^

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:19 AM
Me either actuelly...but I sort of choose not too. I feel too out of my comfort zone..which is home.^_^

It's good you feel comfortable at home- I'm not comfortable unless I'm with one of my really close friends, like Mistress or someone. I'm not the most comfortable at home.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:24 AM
Well, I'm sorry...that must be hard huh?

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:26 AM
Well, I'm sorry...that must be hard huh?

I deal with it, you know? You get used to getting ditched by friends and whatnot. Doesn't bother me anymore.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:39 AM
I've been down that road before...many times.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:41 AM
I've been down that road before...many times.

Sorry to hear that. Is that why you're more comfortable at home?

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:46 AM
Yeah, lol. But, i've gotten over it. And, it makes you a stronger person, so now, I don't take it from anyone anymore.(it hasnt happend in a long time))The way I see it...you dont have to be my friend..either you are or your not, my heart's not going to break over it, you know? But the good friends that I have are amazing.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:51 AM
Yeah, lol. But, i've gotten over it. And, it makes you a stronger person, so now, I don't take it from anyone anymore.(it hasnt happend in a long time))The way I see it...you dont have to be my friend..either you are or your not, my heart's not going to break over it, you know? But the good friends that I have are amazing.

Exactly. I let my friends do what they want to me, I've found a place mentally where they'd have to try to hurt me, unless they try (accidentally) to make me get out of that place. I love my friends more than anything in the world though.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:52 AM
As do I...I really don't know what I would do without them.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 04:54 AM
As do I...I really don't know what I would do without them.

Yeah. My friends have gotten me out of doing a lot of bad things to myself...the bad part is my ex girlfriend did too and there is a lot of animosity between her and I and I feel like I owe her something because of that...because she stopped me from something big. And the fact that she's friends with my friends doesn't help.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:59 AM
((I have to go...talk to ya tommarow.^_^))

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 05:03 AM
((I have to go...talk to ya tommarow.^_^))

Alrighty. Good talking to you, you're really cool.

fighterkid
04-21-2007, 11:42 AM
Hitler's beliefs were disgusting. Hitler was, however, the only one in Germany at that time with the brains and guts to try and reclaim a dying country and perpetuate it. His means were atrocious, and I'm not defending him for having the beliefs he did. But he's the one who has to live with what he did- even in death. I'm just saying that he was also a brilliant politician, like Churchill and FDR.

I agree that I hope no one like him will ever be born again, though. People with those beliefs scare me enough. Anyone with the brains or power enough to enforce those on groups of people absolutely terrify me just thinking about them.

You are right ;)

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 04:40 PM
Alrighty. Good talking to you, you're really cool.

((Thank you, your not bad yourself.lol))

twilightqueen13
04-21-2007, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I guess it does...

Several other reasons were that because of the infamous Treaty of Versailles, Germany had incredibly high war debts to pay off- after all, WW1 (known then as the Great War) was the single most destructive force humanity had known until then, including Mother Nature's (I refer to her as Gaia, but I'll say Mother Nature now so you know who I mean) full wrath. The Jews in Western Europe were stereotyped as all being bankers and handled money. Germany was, at the time, in a time of super-inflation. It took a wheelbarrow to bring enough marks to the market to buy a bag of flour. Because the general population thought the Jews had control of much of the money and that they were thought to be corrupt, they were blamed for the deficeit.

I've heard your reason as a valid answer, as well as others, but this was the most prominent. Jews were also viewed as an inferior people genetically, and the pseudo science of eugenics (finding ways to tell how "pure or superior human" people were, this could be considered controlled Darwinism almost. Like Darwinism was trying to be used to improve the race. America was a leader in the "science" of eugenics) claimed that Jews were physically and genetically inferior and certain people wanted to purify the human race into tall, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Arian.As true as this may be, Hate Rock or apparently White-Power Rock was formed after WW2 for those who believed Hitler was some sort of "God" or something and believed that he did the right thing killing off a very huge part of the Jewish Faith Community. Which is why I made this thread. I highly dislike the fact that even young innocent children are becoming these "monsters". If it continues there may be a new Hitler in some chaotic century. Something that I hope no up-coming generation has to go through.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
As true as this may be, Hate Rock or apparently White-Power Rock was formed after WW2 for those who believed Hitler was some sort of "God" or something and believed that he did the right thing killing off a very huge part of the Jewish Faith Community. Which is why I made this thread. I highly dislike the fact that even young innocent children are becoming these "monsters". If it continues there may be a new Hitler in some chaotic century. Something that I hope no up-coming generation has to go through.

I never said Hitler founded it, or that it was founded during WWII. I was explaining something related but not precisely on topic. I assume that Hate Rock was started by a neo-Nazi white supremacist group, like the Skinheads or something. I believe that their beliefs are incredibly hateful and I wish that they would change them, especially involving children, but as long as they're not harming anyone, there's nothing we can do. And I agree that they could give rise to another Hitler. However, it takes a certain (rare, thankfully) personality to take their hate of a group and then go about conquering the world and committing genocide in the name of their belief. Let's hope it never happens.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 06:02 PM
The problem with genocide is((I am getting way off topic))that it has happend more than just the holocaust.

Ever heard of the Armenian genocide?That occured before the holocaust.

There is also the genocide going on in darfur, between the Hutu's and the Tutsi's. If I can recall correctly, (i can't rember which side..))but 1 million people were killed in I believe 100 days...so thats about 10,000 deaths every day.


There also was the Bosnian genocide...and the one in Cambodia.

fighterkid
04-21-2007, 06:05 PM
The problem with genocide is((I am getting way off topic))that it has happend more than just the holocaust.

Ever heard of the Armenian genocide?That occured before the holocaust.

There is also the genocide going on in darfur, between the Hutu's and the Tutsi's. If I can recall correctly, (i can't rember which side..))but 1 million people were killed in I believe 100 days...so thats about 10,000 deaths every day.


There also was the Bosnian genocide...and the one in Cambodia.

yep, there are still genocides .. mostly in Africa at the moment... but it's not so much in the news. I think countries should go into there and help everybody.. peace..

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 06:06 PM
The problem with genocide is((I am getting way off topic))that it has happend more than just the holocaust.

Ever heard of the Armenian genocide?That occured before the holocaust.

There is also the genocide going on in darfur, between the Hutu's and the Tutsi's. If I can recall correctly, (i can't rember which side..))but 1 million people were killed in I believe 100 days...so thats about 10,000 deaths every day.


There also was the Bosnian genocide...and the one in Cambodia.

Yeah, I have. There's also the genocide that Columbus committed against the natives of the Carribbean, while he was there. And I'm not sure which side is killing in Darfur, either. I think it's the Tutsis, but I'm really not sure and don't want to say the wrong group.

There are a few more I'm not thinking of, too. I think...

And fighterkid, going into other countries to sort out their problems is exactly what got America into the war in Iraq. I think that if it's worth having around, the U.N. should do something.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 06:08 PM
Yeah, I have. There's also the genocide that Columbus committed against the natives of the Carribbean, while he was there. And I'm not sure which side is killing in Darfur, either. I think it's the Tutsis, but I'm really not sure and don't want to say the wrong group.

There are a few more I'm not thinking of, too. I think...

And fighterkid, going into other countries to sort out their problems is exactly what got America into the war in Iraq. I think that if it's worth having around, the U.N. should do something.

I agree with Kyrin. And I do belive the U.N is attempting something.

fighterkid
04-21-2007, 06:10 PM
That's true.. it would be better if the U.N. will help then U.S.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 06:30 PM
That should happen...but most likley will not.

twilightqueen13
04-21-2007, 08:33 PM
I never said Hitler founded it, or that it was founded during WWII. I was explaining something related but not precisely on topic. I assume that Hate Rock was started by a neo-Nazi white supremacist group, like the Skinheads or something. I believe that their beliefs are incredibly hateful and I wish that they would change them, especially involving children, but as long as they're not harming anyone, there's nothing we can do. And I agree that they could give rise to another Hitler. However, it takes a certain (rare, thankfully) personality to take their hate of a group and then go about conquering the world and committing genocide in the name of their belief. Let's hope it never happens.(Sorry for misunderstanding.) Yes, that exactly it. And I fear for the upcoming generation because this is a spreading thing. And for children as young as 3-5 years old to be involved is completely outrageous. I can't believe someone would want their children to be exposed to such insanity. It's sick and wrong.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 11:19 PM
(Sorry for misunderstanding.) Yes, that exactly it. And I fear for the upcoming generation because this is a spreading thing. And for children as young as 3-5 years old to be involved is completely outrageous. I can't believe someone would want their children to be exposed to such insanity. It's sick and wrong.

(It's okay, it happens.) And since the parents believe it, they don't see it as insanity.

And it's good that the UN is finally doing something.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 11:21 PM
I agree, though I can't say exactly what it is they are doing...

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 11:24 PM
I agree, though I can't say exactly what it is they are doing...

I doubt they can, either. Overall, I feel that the UN is rather ineffectual. If it had strong leadership, it'd be better, but at the moment it's like "No don't do that...please?...fine. Bi.tch."

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 11:33 PM
Haha, that is the perfect way to put it.

Kyrin
04-21-2007, 11:36 PM
Haha, that is the perfect way to put it.

*Bows* Thank you.

angelgirl1419
04-21-2007, 11:38 PM
Your Welcome.^_^

twilightqueen13
04-22-2007, 01:58 AM
(It's okay, it happens.) And since the parents believe it, they don't see it as insanity.

And it's good that the UN is finally doing something.(Thank you for understanding.) True they don't see it as insanity but most of the population, even in Germany, see it that way. And I am glad the UN is doing something but I'm not sure of what that something is and what effect it's having on those people.

Kyrin
04-23-2007, 05:15 AM
(Thank you for understanding.) True they don't see it as insanity but most of the population, even in Germany, see it that way. And I am glad the UN is doing something but I'm not sure of what that something is and what effect it's having on those people.

Yeah. I think they also see themselves as the only group that "knows" the "truth," like many other groups do, not just hate groups. Look at the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, or the Palestinians and Israelis. Or even other groups that believe they are the bearers of truth- I recently met a man who claimed himself Christian and believed that terrorism was a stem from a group of people-Muslims- that were misled into believing into a "false religion" by the "false prophet" of Revelation.

Things like this are what I mean, you know?

And in regards to your comment on the UN, I don't know what they're doing or how it's affecting anything- you sure don't hear about it- but you don't hear about it, which makes me think that they're reinforcing the opinion that they're useless. Something has to be done, and they're not doing it yet.

GlitchGirl
04-23-2007, 05:23 AM
What would you have them do? Censor music? You can't do that. As hateful as it may be, the UN has no authority to regulate this kind of thing. The best you can hope for is the countris do something about it themselves. While hate speech is not protected under our constitution, each country has their own way of governing speech and expression and that's what you have to deal with.

Unfortunately, the only way to fight this thing is by getting people to think and realize that what is being said is all lies and propaganda designed to incite anger and hate. As long as there are people who will mindlessly follow anything that comes along, there's not a whole lot that you can do.

Kyrin
04-23-2007, 05:31 AM
What would you have them do? Censor music? You can't do that. As hateful as it may be, the UN has no authority to regulate this kind of thing. The best you can hope for is the countris do something about it themselves. While hate speech is not protected under our constitution, each country has their own way of governing speech and expression and that's what you have to deal with.

Unfortunately, the only way to fight this thing is by getting people to think and realize that what is being said is all lies and propaganda designed to incite anger and hate. As long as there are people who will mindlessly follow anything that comes along, there's not a whole lot that you can do.

You came in a little late- we weren't discussing having the UN stop hate music, I agree, it's a problem that needs to burn itself out. We were talking about the UN being more helpfully involved in stopping the genocide in Darfur.

GlitchGirl
04-23-2007, 06:14 AM
Ah, my mistake. Didn't realize the topic had diverted that much.

Kyrin
04-23-2007, 06:17 AM
Ah, my mistake. Didn't realize the topic had diverted that much.

It's alright. And the diversion was pretty much all my fault. Sorry bout that.

angelgirl1419
04-24-2007, 12:04 AM
What would you have them do? Censor music? You can't do that. As hateful as it may be, the UN has no authority to regulate this kind of thing. The best you can hope for is the countris do something about it themselves. While hate speech is not protected under our constitution, each country has their own way of governing speech and expression and that's what you have to deal with.

Unfortunately, the only way to fight this thing is by getting people to think and realize that what is being said is all lies and propaganda designed to incite anger and hate. As long as there are people who will mindlessly follow anything that comes along, there's not a whole lot that you can do.


At any rate, you are very right. There is nothing we can do to stop it, unless people realize its going on.

twilightqueen13
04-24-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah. I think they also see themselves as the only group that "knows" the "truth," like many other groups do, not just hate groups. Look at the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, or the Palestinians and Israelis. Or even other groups that believe they are the bearers of truth- I recently met a man who claimed himself Christian and believed that terrorism was a stem from a group of people-Muslims- that were misled into believing into a "false religion" by the "false prophet" of Revelation.

Things like this are what I mean, you know?

And in regards to your comment on the UN, I don't know what they're doing or how it's affecting anything- you sure don't hear about it- but you don't hear about it, which makes me think that they're reinforcing the opinion that they're useless. Something has to be done, and they're not doing it yet.I can relate to that sort of interaction with people. The UN is not mainly a topic on how they're trying to prevent Hate Rock. But it should be recognized. This is a big issue regarding WW1 and WW2. I mean no one but the Hate Rock Groups wants another Hitler.

angelgirl1419
04-24-2007, 11:56 PM
Well, actuelly, there are many other's other than Hate Rock groups that would want another Hitler figure. Hate Rock isn't the only thing lasting over from the hostility during WWII, with a negative out look.

priestess94
04-25-2007, 12:00 AM
NEVER HEARD them before but that sounds terrible i mean i know there a probs inthe world and that history repeats its self but we can try to stop that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! adn start a new history one that doesnt involve WW3

Kyrin
04-25-2007, 01:17 AM
Well, actuelly, there are many other's other than Hate Rock groups that would want another Hitler figure. Hate Rock isn't the only thing lasting over from the hostility during WWII, with a negative out look.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, unless you mean just hate groups in general.

I can see revisionists not really caring about another Hitler, but that's pretty much it, isn't it? I'm not trying to contradict you, just so you know, I wanna know who you mean.

Revisionists definitely would have lasting hostility from WWII, though.

angelgirl1419
04-25-2007, 11:50 AM
I understand, I was just speaking on others, aside from Hate Rock. I my self had never heard of Hate Rock before, until this thread. So, I wasn't talking about a specific group, but there are other individuals, or other organizations(such as cults)that would want to bring around another being like Hitler. I should have stated that more clearly.

Ryoken
04-26-2007, 01:24 AM
This is probably one of the few at least moderately funny things about Hitler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7QVzWJFSbs