God/Jesus: Real or Not?

[Soaki-chan]

Really? I believe he exists. How alse do you think earth formed? now, I know what you are thinking: Who made HIM? No one, or should I say nothing created God. He was always there. He created Jesus, the savior of us. And I bet some of you don't believe in Adam and Eve. Well, if we DID really evovle from Gorrillas, wouldn't there be absolutely NONE now? Some of you think the stories in the bible were completely made up, or years after the real events! The only book I can think of that was made after the events was the book of Ehster. (It's sad, but I don't read the bible much.) What is your opinion?

[unloved_forever]

I don't believe that god or jesus is real.
I just can't think of how there could possibly be someone 'up there'.
Creation makes alot more sense to me, to believe the big bang theory.

I don't want to cause an arguement with anyone, just stating my opinion.

[Soaki-chan]

I knew someone was going to say that! And I see how you came to that conclusion. But, have you ever seen a million dollars? Just because you haven't seen it dosen't mean it's not real. Think about it! (Hopefully I didn't offend you or anyone else.)

[unloved_forever]

I knew someone was going to say that! And I see how you came to that conclusion. But, have you ever seen a million dollars? Just because you haven't seen it dosen't mean it's not real. Think about it! (Hopefully I didn't offend you or anyone else.)
No, you didn't offend me. Just as I hope what I said wasn't of offence to you.

I used to go to church, every week until two years ago, I really didn't believe anything I was being told and thought I was old enough to make this decision for myself. I was thirteen.
I had been christened and confirmed, went to Sunday school every week and went to every Christian celebration on at the church, until I realised that I couldn't carry on going along with what I was being told.

[Soaki-chan]

Oh, ok. I got it. And no, you didn't offend me either.

[unloved_forever]

Oh, ok. I got it. And no, you didn't offend me either.
That's good :)

[Nickoli]

See, my thing is, I believe in some form of Higher Being.

But I dunno about the Jesus deal.

I was born and raised my whole life as Romian Catholic. But, I don't know how I can be a part of a religion where the god I'm supposed to believe in doesn't accept my sexuality.

Theres too much I disagree with the Catholic Church on to be a part of it anymore, but I'm not quite sure what I am, though...

[Soaki-chan]

Okay, I know a few people like that. My friend Aubree, for instance(Sp)...

[Nickoli]

Yeah. I've also been through so much hell. Sort of the 'How could a god do this to me?' mentality.

Though I know most people believe that if I go looking for her, she'll be there for me, or something.

[Soaki-chan]

Yup. Aubree's mom died of cancer, and now she's all messed up.

[fighterkid]

i don't believe in God and i don't believe that god/jesus excist.

[articwolf]

well he might be i'm not sure well i was watching TV on a rainy day and they said they supposdily (sp) found remains of jesus so i'm not sure.

[Sceadu]

I stopped believing, when "He" stopped listening. Then I stopped talking.

[Krimskii]

I dont believe in God or Jesus either. And I hope tha I offend no one on what Im about to say, I believe that the bible is a bunch of lies that a bunch of people made up and that they created the character Jesus. Sorry if Ive offend anyone but, thats what I believe.

I DO believe in a higher power though

[unloved_forever]

It must be awful for people who believe in God, but have had something terrible happen to them without any explanation.
People believe that God decides when people die and what happens to people and such, but when a friend/family member dies at a young age with no explanation, it muct be really confusing.

[Soaki-chan]

I am really not trying to start an argument...(and I know this'll sound cheesy/corny whatever you wanna call it) Is it your mind that is telling you he hasn't been listining? Or is your mind lying to you, while your heart has been trying to tell you otherwise?

I can see why you think this. Alot of people think this. But the don't feel it. Man...I am getting way too mushy...(To all who this is aimed at, not the person who posted above, and who knows who posted above when I finish my editing. And you may be the person this is aimed at!)

[Nickoli]

I dont believe in God or Jesus either. And I hope tha I offend no one on what Im about to say, I believe that the bible is a bunch of lies that a bunch of people made up and that they created the character Jesus. Sorry if Ive offend anyone but, thats what I believe.

I DO believe in a higher power though

I guess what I feel is similar to that.

The Bible was not supposed to be taken litterally. It was entirely a bunch of parables, stories to teach people a lesson.

Those who take them too seriously are not actually reading it.

But thats coming from someone raised christian, but doesn't believe...

[articwolf]

the bible could be that but no one knows...i think

[Nickoli]

It must be awful for people who believe in God, but have had something terrible happen to them without any explanation.
People believe that God decides when people die and what happens to people and such, but when a friend/family member dies at a young age with no explanation, it muct be really confusing.

Not just deaths, but abuse, rape, violence, and neglect.

[unloved_forever]

I believe that the bible was wrote in sections by lots of different people. All of the people were writing about a man who later became known as Jesus.

[Krimskii]

I guess what I feel is similar to that.

The Bible was not supposed to be taken litterally. It was entirely a bunch of parables, stories to teach people a lesson.

Those who take them too seriously are not actually reading it.

But thats coming from someone raised christian, but doesn't believe...

I was raised as a Christian too. And I havent believed in him for a very long time. It kinda has something to do with the fact that 'Catholics' are not allowed to marry in their religion if they are gay/lesbien/bisexual and thats my problem with it. After all I am bisexual

[Sceadu]

I am really not trying to start an argument...(and I know this'll sound cheesy/corny whatever you wanna call it) Is it your mind that is telling you he hasn't been listining? Or is your mind lying to you, while your heart has been trying to tell you otherwise?

I can see why you think this. Alot of people think this. But the don't feel it. Man...I am getting way too mushy...(To all who this is aimed at, not the person who posted above, and who knows who posted above when I finish my editing. And you may be the person this is aimed at!)
Well, after you read a bunch of theology books, and then have to think "Well, someone must be lying here, because they all can't be right" then you tell me. I've just gave up.
Before when I believed in "God", I was always have panick attacks or nightmares like the "Devil" was raping me. And ever since I stopped believing it and all went away.

[Nickoli]

I was raised as a Christian too. And I havent believed in him for a very long time. It kinda has something to do with the fact that 'Catholics' are not allowed to marry in their religion if they are gay/lesbien/bisexual and thats my problem with it. After all I am bisexual

Same here. I'm a lesbian. But the church also says that the only way to get to heaven is to love your neighbors and fogive those who have hurt you.

What about me, what if I die soon, and never forgave my assulters? Does that mean that I cannot go to heaven, or whatever the Church believes in?

Am I double condemned? Once for being a lesbian, and twice for having been raped?

[Soaki-chan]

No...at least...I don't believe so. We'll all find out, so make the decision that you want to. If you keep your faith in Jesus, he;ll accept you, and you'll be pure and stuff ^.^!

[Krimskii]

Zomg you've been raped. *hugs*. Sorry side tracked..anyways, thats the problem with teh whole Catholic religion thing, If God loves us for who we are, why does he care if we love our own genders? And why doesnt he punish those who resent us? He did create us, and if anyone has been listening to scieniftic news you would know that if you are gay/lesbien/bisexual, that it can be traced back to your genes

[Soaki-chan]

(Kinda spamish.)I g2g, i'll be right back though.

[Krimskii]

...okay.........

[Sceadu]

Well, after you read a bunch of theology books, and then have to think "Well, someone must be lying here, because they all can't be right" then you tell me. I've just gave up.
Before when I believed in "God", I was always have panick attacks or nightmares like the "Devil" was raping me. And ever since I stopped believing it and all went away.
I'm not saying I go around screaming at Christians or anyone else. I don't care what your religon is, your sexuality, or your appearance. I make friends with who I think to be loyal friends. And I don't make a judgement on people even if they have harrassed me. It could just because some of my best friends, were my "enemies" until I got to know them better.

[Nickoli]

Zomg you've been raped. *hugs*. Sorry side tracked..anyways, thats the problem with teh whole Catholic religion thing, If God loves us for who we are, why does he care if we love our own genders? And why doesnt he punish those who resent us? He did create us, and if anyone has been listening to scieniftic news you would know that if you are gay/lesbien/bisexual, that it can be traced back to your genes

Yeah, for many years. But anyway, I don't really understand so much about Christianity....

No...at least...I don't believe so. We'll all find out, so make the decision that you want to. If you keep your faith in Jesus, he;ll accept you, and you'll be pure and stuff ^.^!

Its nice to hear that, but its impossible for me to believe right now.

I don't know how I can believe. Losing all form of innocence at five years old, and not getting relief until I'm fourteen.

Then, being assulted on three different accounts by two other people.

How can I keep my faith?

[angelgirl1419]

Religion is always a testy subject. I was raised to believe in god, now, i'll admit, I come from a christian background, but I can't tell you the last time i've attented church.

I really can't say for sure whether or not I believe in God or Jesus, for I do not know. Yes, I was raised into believing that the when the good die they go to heaven, and other things that apply, and I suppose it is nice to belive that their really is a god their for us, and that we have a place to meet up again with all our dead relatives one day.

So, overall, am I a self devoted christian? No, I was brought up very loosely as opposed to others I suppose, and I cannot say for sure right now whether I believe in god or not, i'm sort of 'iffy'. I honestly would like to believe that their is a God, but whether or not their is, I can't say.

[protector13]

i dont beleive in jesus or god for these reson

its to confusing to think some one is out there

umm the bible was written by some one on crack or crazy

and the one person said i never seen a mill dollors and it dosent mean thats fake well
i can prove one million dollars is real i cant prove that god and jesus are real

[Ravenheart]

I get angry at God sometimes for the things he's let happen in my life. But that's just how it is. My real fight is with The Church... they've done me a lot of wrong.

[premiumdancer]

A lot of people seem to be saying that it's just the Catholic Church that doesn't allow people to marry others of the same sex that they are. But, most Christian denominations don't... (If I just misunderstood what everyone said, sorry.)

But to get on the subject, one thing that I can't wrap my head around about God is, how did he get there? Nothing created him, but he had to come from somewhere, from something. He can't just be. I think that's a very convenient answer to an extremely difficult question.

[Death-Soldier]

Atheist Antony Flew has said that the "onus of proof must lie upon the theist."1 Unless compelling reasons for God’s existence can be given, there is the "presumption of atheism." Another atheist, Michael Scriven, considers the lack of evidence for God’s existence and the lack of evidence for Santa Claus on the same level.2 However, the presumption of atheism actually turns out to be presumptuousness. The Christian must remember that the atheist also shares the burden of proof, which I will attempt to demonstrate below.

First, even if the theist could not muster good arguments for God’s existence, atheism still would not be shown to be true.3 The outspoken atheist Kai Nielsen recognizes this: "To show that an argument is invalid or unsound is not to show that the conclusion of the argument is false....All the proofs of God’s existence may fail, but it still may be the case that God exists."4

Second, the "presumption of atheism" demonstrates a rigging of the rules of philosophical debate in order to play into the hands of the atheist, who himself makes a truth claim. Alvin Plantinga correctly argues that the atheist does not treat the statements "God exists" and "God does not exist" in the same manner.5 The atheist assumes that if one has no evidence for God’s existence, then one is obligated to believe that God does not exist — whether or not one has evidence against God’s existence. What the atheist fails to see is that atheism is just as much a claim to know something ("God does not exist") as theism ("God exists"). Therefore, the atheist’s denial of God’s existence needs just as much substantiation as does the theist’s claim; the atheist must give plausible reasons for rejecting God’s existence.

Third, in the absence of evidence for God’s existence, agnosticism, not atheism, is the logical presumption. Even if arguments for God’s existence do not persuade, atheism should not be presumed because atheism is not neutral; pure agnosticism is. Atheism is justified only if there is sufficient evidence against God’s existence.

Fourth, to place belief in Santa Claus or mermaids and belief in God on the same level is mistaken. The issue is not that we have no good evidence for these mythical entities; rather, we have strong evidence that they do not exist. Absence of evidence is not at all the same as evidence of absence, which some atheists fail to see.

Moreover, the theist can muster credible reasons for belief in God. For example, one can argue that the contingency of the universe — in light of Big Bang cosmology, the expanding universe, and the second law of thermodynamics (which implies that the universe has been "wound up" and will eventually die a heat death) — demonstrates that the cosmos has not always been here. It could not have popped into existence uncaused, out of absolutely nothing, because we know that whatever begins to exist has a cause. A powerful First Cause like the God of theism plausibly answers the question of the universe’s origin. Also, the fine-tunedness of the universe — with complexly balanced conditions that seem tailored for life — points to the existence of an intelligent Designer.

The existence of objective morality provides further evidence for belief in God. If widow-burning or genocide is really wrong and not just cultural, then it is difficult to account for this universally binding morality, with its sense of "oughtness," on strictly naturalistic terms. (Most people can be convinced that the difference between Adolf Hitler and Mother Teresa is not simply cultural.) These and other reasons demonstrate that the believer is being quite rational — not presumptuous — in embracing belief in God.

[NachtEngel]

religion kills ppl so yeah i dont belive in any religion there has been more deaths over religion then any other cause of deaht... if u want to get technical lol


plus eh why belive something when u cant see it? doesnt make sense

[Death-Soldier]

can u say holy wars- megadeth awesome song

[NachtEngel]

eh dont like metal sry lol

[Death-Soldier]

its all good homie

[NachtEngel]

not really that much into rap if thats what ur impling with the word "homie" lol

[Death-Soldier]

no im not impling that i just like the word lol

[priestess94]

i belive i mean we cant see wind but we see its efect so i mean we cant see God but we have seen his miricles just saying

[Soaki-chan]

religion kills ppl so yeah i dont belive in any religion there has been more deaths over religion then any other cause of deaht... if u want to get technical lol


plus eh why belive something when u cant see it? doesnt make sense

Because, I don't care if I can't see it. You can't see air. You know it's there. Why should God be any different? You can't se him, but he's there. If you don't believe me, I didn't want to say this, but you will find out at death.

[unloved_forever]

i belive i mean we cant see wind but we see its efect so i mean we cant see God but we have seen his miricles just saying
That only applies if you believe i his miracles, you can't pretend that you don't see the effects of the wind but you have to believe that when things happen they're miracles by God.

[premiumdancer]

I can prove air. Air isn't a matter of faith. I can't prove God.

[NachtEngel]

Because, I don't care if I can't see it. You can't see air. You know it's there. Why should God be any different? You can't se him, but he's there. If you don't believe me, I didn't want to say this, but you will find out at death.

lol cause oxygen is something most living things require to live so yeah i no its there god? how can we tell if hes there or not

[Soaki-chan]

You just cAn! Honestly, some people here are waaaay to logical...

[Soaki-chan]

I can prove air. Air isn't a matter of faith. I can't prove God.

So? You do need God to live. Without him, you live a dirty after life in a place we call He**. And your soul is not cleansed, and during life if you have a tragedy no one will be there to truly help you. And once again, how do you think we humans were created? The little human fairy? Don't tell me you believe Darwin's theory. I'm just saying the "We came from Monkeys" thing is a little far-fetched, don't you?
(I said "Truly.Family and friends help.)

[NachtEngel]

So? You do need God to live. Without him, you live a dirty after life in a place we call He**. And your soul is not cleansed, and during life if you have a tragedy no one will be there to truly help you. And once again, how do you think we humans were created? The little human fairy? Don't tell me you believe Darwin's theory. I'm just saying the "We came from Monkeys" thing is a little far-fetched, don't you?

we didnt come from monkeys we came from chimpanzeese wich is the gorrilla family we evoled to have opposable thumbs and other things as well to survive.

oh no im goin to hell cause i dont beilve in chritiainty O_o!!!

[Soaki-chan]

*Sigh* Your sarcasm is greatly noticed within my conseince. It's true. You either go to two places when you die, and heaven is the best.

[Soaki-chan]

we didnt come from monkeys we came from chimpanzeese wich is the gorrilla family we evoled to have opposable thumbs and other things as well to survive.

oh no im goin to hell cause i dont beilve in chritiainty O_o!!!

IF we came from the dern CHIMPS, don't you think there would be NONE left? Use your brain, and senses, and your HEART.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Ks6D3gQw8 Watch it, kep it in your mind.

[premiumdancer]

So? You do need God to live. Without him, you live a dirty after life in a place we call He**. And your soul is not cleansed, and during life if you have a tragedy no one will be there to truly help you. And once again, how do you think we humans were created? The little human fairy? Don't tell me you believe Darwin's theory. I'm just saying the "We came from Monkeys" thing is a little far-fetched, don't you?
(I said "Truly.Family and friends help.)

I'm a pretty happy individual, actually. And I don't see how, because I'm apparently going to hell, that means I need God to live. Live after death, maybe, but that isn't helping me now, and I don't really want to live forever, anyway.

But, you never answered my original question: How did God get there?

[Soaki-chan]

God was just always there. In a way, He created himself. Don't ask. The bible dosen't explain that, and no one can explain why.

[premiumdancer]

IF we came from the dern CHIMPS, don't you think there would be NONE left? Use your brain, and senses, and your HEART.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Ks6D3gQw8 Watch it, kep it in your mind.

If I use my senses, how can I prove God exists? I can't see God, I can't hear God, I can't taste God, I can't smell God, and I can't touch God.

[Soaki-chan]

Oh, and, I am not trying to shove christianity down your throat, just trying to make a point. if I am, then sorry!

[premiumdancer]

God was just always there. In a way, He created himself. Don't ask. The bible dosen't explain that, and no one can explain why.

Why should I believe in a religion that can't explain itself? My biggest obstacle to truly believing Christianity is not being able to understand how God was created. How does one create oneself?

[premiumdancer]

Oh, and, I am not trying to shove christianity down your throat, just trying to make a point. if I am, then sorry!

I'm not really offended, but I don't think that threatening people with hell is the best way to convert them.

[Soaki-chan]

I. Am. Not. Threatining. I am warning, If you came to that conclusion, then sorry. Maybe not even warning, I am Stating. I don't want ANYONE to go to hel* (Sorry, I'm not risking my mother seeing my swear. Even though using it as a place isn't swearing, it's my Mom.)

[premiumdancer]

Well, I don't think that stating to people that they'll probably going to go to hell, at the rate they're going, is really going to help. Most people seem to have the problem that God isn't something that's really able to be proven with actual fact, as I do. I'm just trying to figure out how God is possible, and the fact that I'll probably go to hell for wondering isn't really persuading me to believe.

[Soaki-chan]

You don't need proof to know something is there. You just know it's there. I must go now. Some weirdo from Omaha is calling. (I have no clue who'd be calling us...when we live all the way down south...)

[premiumdancer]

But the whole point is that I don't know it's there.

[Soaki-chan]

No, know one can prove God is there. If you don't know, then, fine. Just try to get someone elses' opinion.

[premiumdancer]

And that would be the point of me being in this thread...

[Pink Angel]

I believe god is real because what else could've made the human race. Humans are made from dirt, that's true, but nothing like the big bang can make civilization. HA! Explain that without using the god!!!

[premiumdancer]

Really, the big bang theory is just as plausible as God. What created what caused the big bang to happen? Well, what created God? How did God create God?

[Pink Angel]

Really, the big bang theory is just as plausible as God. What created what caused the big bang to happen? Well, what created God? How did God create God?

God has always been

[Soaki-chan]

And that would be the point of me being in this thread...

I mean people that acctually live near you, like go around, take a poll, something like that.:griningmonkey

[premiumdancer]

God has always been

But, how? How did God just get there? How can something just exist?

(I'm not trying to be an instigator, I'm just genuinely looking for answers.)

[premiumdancer]

I mean people that acctually live near you, like go around, take a poll, something like that.:griningmonkey

I'm not too sure how many actual practicing Christians live near me. There's plenty of people who say they are, but deeds speak louder than words, and I don't think they'd be able to give me satisfactory answers.

[Soaki-chan]

He's a Spirit. Spirits are not created, they are formed. Kinda. So, I guess since the very first Galaxy god was "formed" by himself, making all the galaxies (At least ours) and creating us and Earth.

[Soaki-chan]

I'm not too sure how many actual practicing Christians live near me. There's plenty of people who say they are, but deeds speak louder than words, and I don't think they'd be able to give me satisfactory answers.

Well, you don't need to go to church to be a christian, and if they were a real chrstian, you could trust them to tell the truth.

[premiumdancer]

Well, my definition of "practicing Christian" isn't necessarily one who goes to church. (Since most of the people I know who go to church every week aren't really true Christians. And that's what I meant by that comment.)

[Pink Angel]

But, how? How did God just get there? How can something just exist?

(I'm not trying to be an instigator, I'm just genuinely looking for answers.)

god created himself. How? It's really hard to explain

[premiumdancer]

He's a Spirit. Spirits are not created, they are formed. Kinda. So, I guess since the very first Galaxy god was "formed" by himself, making all the galaxies (At least ours) and creating us and Earth.

I don't think I'll ever be able to understand that.

[Pink Angel]

I don't think I'll ever be able to understand that.

anyway, how god was created isn't important. What's important is that we egknowledge (sp?) his existance and obey him so that we ourselves may make it in the new system and be granted eternal life

[premiumdancer]

anyway, how god was created isn't important. What's important is that we egknowledge (sp?) his existance and obey him so that we ourselves may make it in the new system and be granted eternal life

But if I can't understand how he got there, I can't believe in him. That's just how my mind works. I don't see how I can acknowledge God's existence if I don't understand how he exists in the first place. And the latter part of your post addresses one of my other problems about believing in Christianity: Why, instead of concentrating on making the Earth a better place for everyone now and for our children and the future generations, should we be focused on the afterlife? Why not make things better for everyone in real life?

[Pink Angel]

But if I can't understand how he got there, I can't believe in him. That's just how my mind works. I don't see how I can acknowledge God's existence if I don't understand how he exists in the first place. And the latter part of your post addresses one of my other problems about believing in Christianity: Why, instead of concentrating on making the Earth a better place for everyone now and for our children and the future generations, should we be focused on the afterlife? Why not make things better for everyone in real life?

see you answered your own question on how to get there. You should read the bible

[premiumdancer]

But that's not the only way you can supposedly get to heaven. You have to do everything else the Bible says, which isn't just be a good person. It's be a Christian person, and that isn't always the same thing. Why should good people who aren't Christians go to hell?

[Soaki-chan]

You don't have to do everything the bible says. All you need to do is keep your Faith in Jesus, and try to ask for foriveness,

[premiumdancer]

Which is still more than just being a good person.

[Randomgirl]

I didn't read EVERYTHING on here. And I'm not trying to agrue.
Just thought I'd say that before I gave my opinion.

I stopped believing, when "He" stopped listening. Then I stopped talking.


Why would you say he quit listening??



and the one person said i never seen a mill dollors and it dosent mean thats fake well
i can prove one million dollars is real i cant prove that god and jesus are real

Can you prove the wind is real??
No. I don't think you can.
The same thing can be said for God.

Just like God, the wind can't be seen. It can be heard, but so can God if you listen. The wind can be felt, but God can be also, you can feel the Holy Spirit.


I'm a pretty happy individual, actually. And I don't see how, because I'm apparently going to hell, that means I need God to live. Live after death, maybe, but that isn't helping me now, and I don't really want to live forever, anyway.

But, you never answered my original question: How did God get there?

To your first part, you're going to live forever whether you want to or not. It's a matter of choice between heaven & hell. Better safe then sorry right?

And for your second part, you're thinking on a human level. We've been taught that everything comes from something. If that's the case, then where did humans come from? They had to come from something in the beginning right? Because we just couldn't have been there. Right? That's what you're implying about God.

[dark_angel_56]

I belive I God, but I don't think God us Jesus...

[Soaki-chan]

"Then God said, 'Let us make man our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' " Genesis 1:26

[dead sephiroth]

that is soo stupid an irrealvant if that is true the bible doesnt really tell the truth.:coolmonkey :coolmonkey :coolmonkey :coolmonkey

[Pink Angel]

that is soo stupid an irrealvant if that is true the bible doesnt really tell the truth.:coolmonkey :coolmonkey :coolmonkey :coolmonkey

what you just said isn't true! So there!

Actually, this is stupid, who ever doesn't believe gods word is going to hell, I ain't trying to go that route....

[Soaki-chan]

Jeez...I didn't know this would be that popular...and dead sphiroth...that's a big fat LIE and you know it.

[dead sephiroth]

god didnt mak the bible stupid preist did so nah how do u really no its gods word and not priest tryun 2 get u beliveing in there mumbo jumbo and there isnt a heaven and hell

[Pink Angel]

god didnt mak the bible stupid preist did so nah how do u really no its gods word and not priest tryun 2 get u beliveing in there mumbo jumbo and there isnt a heaven and hell

God spoke to the preist, and told him what to write, that is possible you know

[premiumdancer]

While I don't think that the major concept of heaven and hell was made up, I do know and understand that the Bible has been corrupted by many different people throughout history. Many of the "translations" of the Bible were created by powerful men who wanted even more power and knew that religion is an excellent tool that can be used to accomplish that. Plenty of people throughout history have hijacked Jesus, and people are still doing it today.

[premiumdancer]

"Then God said, 'Let us make man our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' " Genesis 1:26

I don't see what that has to do with anything.

[dead sephiroth]

the bible was mainly created by men and women who seek attention. the bible is almost all fake!!!! i really dont think heaven and hell exist how do we no if it really exists that could be a complete and utter lie

[premiumdancer]

Well, first off, the Bible wasn't created by women. Secondly, they didn't feel like the world was neglecting them, and people should pay attention to them. They just wanted power.

[dead sephiroth]

from wat ive heard women hav put there feelings into it duh!!!!

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Alright, I don't believe in god. I was raised catholic, as was my brother and my sister. None of us believe in god, and with good reason.

I cannot believe in something that cannot be proved to me. There is no proof of god's existence. Go ahead, try and show me proof. The bible cannot be seen as a primary source. The things in that silly little book can very easily be lies. The man who recorded down these 'events' could have been out of his mind, hearing voices that aren't there. Or he could simply be a liar. Can you prove Jesus' existence or god's? All of those religous documents could be lies.

And I agree, if god created us, who created god. One cannot simply be, as you stated. And also, if god had created us, why would he turn down the good based on their sexuality? Based on their religon? Even based upon the fact that they had sex before marriage or not? Why can't he accept us all for who we are? And does he decide who goes to hell? How many sins do you have to create to go to hell? If god is so kind, why would he wish such a fate upon anyone? Maybe he isn't so kind, eh?

Can you answer me that? With proof?

And I hate the idea of heaven. I don't want to live forever. Just aimlessly floating on fluffy little clouds with my halo and angel wings...no, screw that.

Although, I must say, as much as I don't believe in god, I kind of hope he exists because I admit, I am terrified of death. I'm kind of half and half...I don't want to die but I don't want to live forever...it's rather confusing.

Okay, I believe I'm done ranting.

[dead sephiroth]

ya im done ranting too

[Soaki-chan]

the bible was mainly created by men and women who seek attention. the bible is almost all fake!!!! i really dont think heaven and hell exist how do we no if it really exists that could be a complete and utter lie

No. Not true at ALL. Peh...you people are too logical. And some even so logical they're boring...

[elizaTrickster]

from wat ive heard women hav put there feelings into it duh!!!!

Oh really? Where? :D

[premiumdancer]

Alright, I don't believe in god. I was raised catholic, as was my brother and my sister. None of us believe in god, and with good reason.

I cannot believe in something that cannot be proved to me. There is no proof of god's existence. Go ahead, try and show me proof. The bible cannot be seen as a primary source. The things in that silly little book can very easily be lies. The man who recorded down these 'events' could have been out of his mind, hearing voices that aren't there. Or he could simply be a liar. Can you prove Jesus' existence or god's? All of those religous documents could be lies.

And I agree, if god created us, who created god. One cannot simply be, as you stated. And also, if god had created us, why would he turn down the good based on their sexuality? Based on their religon? Even based upon the fact that they had sex before marriage or not? Why can't he accept us all for who we are? And does he decide who goes to hell? How many sins do you have to create to go to hell? If god is so kind, why would he wish such a fate upon anyone? Maybe he isn't so kind, eh?

Can you answer me that? With proof?

And I hate the idea of heaven. I don't want to live forever. Just aimlessly floating on fluffy little clouds with my hgalo and angel wings...no, screw that.

Although, I must say, as much as I don't believe in god, I kind of hope he exists because I admit, I am terrified of death. I'm kind of half and half...I don't want to die but I don't want to live forever...it's rather confusing.

Okay, I believe I'm done ranting.

I agree. With everything. Huzzah for an intelligent being.

[premiumdancer]

from wat ive heard women hav put there feelings into it duh!!!!

Quite honestly, I don't understand what you mean at all.

[elizaTrickster]

Quite honestly, I don't understand what you mean at all.

Neither do I. And I still have gotten no answer. :D

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I agree. With everything. Huzzah for an intelligent being.

Thank you!
^^
I'm glad to see you, since the literacy thread kind of died.
Haha.

[dead sephiroth]

maybe im not Answering cuz im done ranting and speaking bout htis topic

[premiumdancer]

maybe im not Answering cuz im done ranting and speaking bout htis topic

Then why are you coming back to explain why you refuse to answer the question?

[dead sephiroth]

this is last time i was here checking on things just to check damn

[premiumdancer]

Thank you!
^^
I'm glad to see you, since the literacy thread kind of died.
Haha.

And no one will respond when I try to revive it. :[ But it's nice seeing you, as well, especially since, in this thread, there is a sad lack of people who make sense.

[premiumdancer]

this is last time i was here checking on things just to check damn

...Then once again, why do you keep responding? You might as well just kindly explain to us what you meant by that one particular comment.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

And no one will respond when I try to revive it. :[ But it's nice seeing you, as well, especially since, in this thread, there is a sad lack of people who make sense.

= O
I'll help revive it....
If I can find it.
<<;

Ugh, I know. I mean, how can one just be? Nothing is that simple!

[NachtEngel]

maybe im not Answering cuz im done ranting and speaking bout htis topic

u and me both xD

[premiumdancer]

= O
I'll help revive it....
If I can find it.
<<;

Ugh, I know. I mean, how can one just be? Nothing is that simple!

Oh, lovely. :]

And, by the way, I was raised Catholic, too. (Because you really need to know that. Haha.)

[dead sephiroth]

im bac one final time i was raiseed catholic but i believe none of it

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Oh, lovely. :]

And, by the way, I was raised Catholic, too. (Because you really need to know that. Haha.)

Haha.
We have a lot in common!
=]

[premiumdancer]

im bac one final time i was raiseed catholic but i believe none of it

Which still doesn't answer our question...

[premiumdancer]

Haha.
We have a lot in common!
=]

Indeed we do. :] (I think we're both really old women at heart.)

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I don't think even he knew the answer to your question, even though he made the statement that provoked it.
Besides, none of that is from anyone but that preist, it was all written by him. No other man nor woman.
I believe you're confusing the bible with the constitution.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Indeed we do. :] (I think we're both really old women at heart.)

Haha.
I believe so too.
=]
It's funny really.

[premiumdancer]

I don't think even he knew the answer to your question, even though he made the statement that provoked it.
Besides, none of that is from anyone but that preist, it was all written by him. No other man nor woman.
I believe you're confusing the bible with the constitution.

I'm just trying to figure out what he means by women putting their feelings into the Bible. And I'm not sure what you mean by that last bit.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I'm just trying to figure out what he means by women putting their feelings into the Bible. And I'm not sure what you mean by that last bit.

I don't know why he thinks that.
All my sources say that the original version was made by the preist who (Supposedly) got it from god.
Maybe he means that the bible was adapted later on...
But what confuses me is why he said women in particular.

The constitution thing?
Well, the constitution was originally made by men but as women's rights came about, women put their feelings and such into the constitution.

[premiumdancer]

I don't know why he trhinks that.
All my sources say that the original version was made by the preist who (Supposedly) got it from god.
Maybe he means that the bible was adapted later on...
But what confuses me is why he said women in particular.

The constitution thing?
Well, the constitution was originally made by men but as women's rights came about, women put their feelings and such into the constitution.

Oh, okay. I thought that that part was being directed towards me, which is why I was confused.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Oh, okay. I thought that that part was being directed towards me, which is why I was confused.

Oh, no, it was directed towards sephiroth. Sorry, I just realized that it seemed that way.

[premiumdancer]

Oh, no, it was directed towards sephiroth. Sorry, I just realized that it seemed that way.

That's all right. :] I just wish sephiroth would respond with some kind of relevant reply, because I want to know if he just lacks eloquence or is extremely illogical.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

That's all right. :] I just wish sephiroth would respond with some kind of relevant reply, because I want to know if he just lacks eloquence or is extremely illogical.
<<;
I don't think he's exactly logical...
But who knows?

[premiumdancer]

<<;
I don't think he's exactly logical...
But who knows?

Maybe it's all just a brilliant facade...

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Possibly!
That would a rather suprising thing though, wouldn't it?

[premiumdancer]

I might catch my death with a revelation like that.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I might catch my death with a revelation like that.

Haha.
Like wise.
=]

[premiumdancer]

If he's still on, I don't think he's taking the bait. Or the hint. Either one, although I think it might be a little of both.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

If he's still on, I don't think he's taking the bait. Or the hint. Either one, although I think it might be a little of both.
Haha, probably not.
Maybe he just doesn't understand.
Either way, I think it's pointless by now.

[premiumdancer]

Yeah, this topic is basically exhausted. Since no one's really thinking of any good reasons for us to convert, or, really, any good arguments as to why God just being doesn't have to be rationalised, and apparently no one wants to talk about it anymore, it's kind of dead.

(Because no one else on this thread can hear me.)

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yeah, this topic is basically exhausted. Since no one's really thinking of any good reasons for us to convert, or, really, any good arguments as to why God just being doesn't have to be rationalised, and apparently no one wants to talk about it anymore, it's kind of dead.

(Because no one else on this thread can hear me.)

Well, I think people are just signed off.
Maybe they'll come back tomorrow and try to shove more illogical religon down our throats.

[premiumdancer]

Haha Maybe. After all, we'll be burning in hell if they don't convert us, and it obviously matters what religion we practice, or what religion we don't.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Haha Maybe. After all, we'll be burning in hell if they don't convert us, and it obviously matters what religion we practice, or what religion we don't.

Well, atleast that's what the bible says, eh? I wonder what else decides our fate after death. Skin color? Gender? The clothes you wore? The bands you liked?

[premiumdancer]

It's definitely the language you spoke. That determines everything.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Hmmm, yes.
But what if you can speak more than one?
= O

(This means that about 60% of people are going to hell. Intresting, eh?)

[premiumdancer]

Well, apparently most people are going to hell anyway. Most of the world isn't Christian.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yeah, that's true.

There are gonna be A LOT of people in hell!
It'll be like New York City only 100x more crowded!

[premiumdancer]

Sounds like hell'll be a party. ;)

[Gothanimedollfreak]

= O
xD
Heck yeah!
Sounds fun, acttually.
I bet the devil's actually cool.
I mean, god has hella high standards after all.

[premiumdancer]

Yeah, well, he is God and everything. He can't have just anyone hanging out with him.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yeah, well, he is God and everything. He can't have just anyone hanging out with him.

Shesh, god's starting to sound like one of the popular kids in school.
= /

[unloved_forever]

Well, apparently most people are going to hell anyway. Most of the world isn't Christian.
You don't go to hell because you're not a Christian!

[TailsNyne]

But how do we know where we are going if 'God' forgives?

[elizaTrickster]

But how do we know where we are going if 'God' forgives?

That's a good question. I guess there are just somethings that God says: "Pish. Uh-uh! You ain't comin' up here!" to.

[premiumdancer]

You don't go to hell because you're not a Christian!

Then what's the point in being a Christian?

[premiumdancer]

Shesh, god's starting to sound like one of the popular kids in school.
= /

I'm sure God has designer everything. I mean, he is God. He can afford these things. Not that cheap knock-off stuff, either. The real deal.

[Soaki-chan]

But how do we know where we are going if 'God' forgives?

You'll just go to heaven... that's it, silly! And now...I want a cupcake. Do you wanna cupcake?

[TailsNyne]

If god forgives than we all go to heaven. There is no heaven. There is no god. None of this makes any sence!

[twilightqueen13]

I believe in God. All my life though I've been confused on what to believe. My mom has changed her religion and I was originally raised as Catholic. But I'm not exactly sure what type of Christian I am. Which honestly I don't really get. So I guess I'm Catholic still. But I believe in God, and always will. But I used to be Agnostic. Which means you believe in a higher power. I was Christian Agnostic but now I'm more Christian than Agnostic so...

[elizaTrickster]

If god forgives than we all go to heaven. There is no heaven. There is no god. None of this makes any sence!

Most religion doesn't :D

[TailsNyne]

I knew that... :p

[♥тωιѕтє∂_яσѕє♥]

*walks in and clears throat*
i believe in one God.. and i aslo believe Jesus was sent to spread a message... however im not christian, im muslim.
and sometimes wether or not a religion makes sense or not is all down to your intentions.
XD my lecture is finished

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I'm sure God has designer everything. I mean, he is God. He can afford these things. Not that cheap knock-off stuff, either. The real deal.
= O
I get it now!
God is the popular rich person, er,higher being, and heaven is the popular kids' table!
So all the unpopulars go to hell with the ultimate geek, who was so geeky that god made a new place for him, satan!
So god's a stuck-up jerk and satan's just misunderstood.
= O
I should write my own gospel on this stuff.

[premiumdancer]

= O
I get it now!
God is the popular rich person, er,higher being, and heaven is the popular kids' table!
So all the unpopulars go to hell with the ultimate geek, who was so geeky that god made a new place for him, satan!
So god's a stuck-up jerk and satan's just misunderstood.
= O
I should write my own gospel on this stuff.

Oh! It's all so clear now! Obviously that was divine prophecy on your part!

[NachtEngel]

lol ill havta agree too :D satans missunderstood and god only allows the popular ppl lol :rolleyes:

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Oh! It's all so clear now! Obviously that was divine prophecy on your part!

Yes, of course!
I don't just don't see how these people could be so blind to the truth.

[premiumdancer]

We must spread the word! This is Divine Truth!

[Gothanimedollfreak]

= O
We should put it into our signatures...
We just need a name for the gospel...

[premiumdancer]

Uh. The Gospel of the Misunderstood. Haha That's terrible. It just makes me laugh. It sounds like an emo song...

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Uh. The Gospel of the Misunderstood. Haha That's terrible. It just makes me laugh. It sounds like an emo song...

Haha. That's exactly what I thought! The emo thing, I mean.
Anyway, um...The Gospel of Metaphors? The Gospel of Truth? Haha!

[premiumdancer]

The Gospel of the Paradox

[Gothanimedollfreak]

= O
Perfect!
Haha...
I really need to add that to my signature...
^^
It'd cause a riot...
I just need to figure out what to put under 'The Gospel of the Paradox'

[XoColorful-ChickoX]

Yup God Is Real But I Dont Agree With The Bible!!! It Says Kill All Gay Ppl Then Talks Bout Forgivness & Acceptness........controdicting.......im Gay And Aint Nobody Gon Kill Me!!!!!!!!!!

[premiumdancer]

Yup God Is Real But I Dont Agree With The Bible!!! It Says Kill All Gay Ppl Then Talks Bout Forgivness & Acceptness........controdicting.......im Gay And Aint Nobody Gon Kill Me!!!!!!!!!!

But it doesn't say kill all gay people.

[premiumdancer]

= O
Perfect!
Haha...
I really need to add that to my signature...
^^
It'd cause a riot...
I just need to figure out what to put under 'The Gospel of the Paradox'

I like the new sig. :D

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I like the new sig. :D

= D
Thank you. It's actually lyrics from a song called "Four Winds" by a band called Bright Eyes. They're an unsigned alternitive rock band and I rather like them. I especially love the meaning, feel and lyrics to the song. The lyrics are in refference to the war in the middle east and I find that very interesting.
Have you heard of them?

[premiumdancer]

Actually, yes. They aren't bad, but I'm not a huge fan either.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yeah, me too.
I'm not a fangirl, I just like them.
Haha.

[Soaki-chan]

= O
I get it now!
God is the popular rich person, er,higher being, and heaven is the popular kids' table!
So all the unpopulars go to hell with the ultimate geek, who was so geeky that god made a new place for him, satan!
So god's a stuck-up jerk and satan's just misunderstood.
= O
I should write my own gospel on this stuff.

That's insulting to a LOT of people. You shouldn't say stuff like that if you want people to bash ya.

[premiumdancer]

People were already threatening us with hell. As a great Kaiser Chiefs song says, we're going to hell anyway, let's travel first class.

:]

[Gothanimedollfreak]

That's insulting to a LOT of people. You shouldn't say stuff like that if you want people to bash ya.

Wow, people threatening me through a forum?
= O
THAT'S SCARY!

Shesh, like they can really do anything to me.
If my opinions insult people, well, then whatever.
It's MY opinion.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

People were already threatening us with hell. As a great Kaiser Chiefs song says, we're going to hell anyway, let's travel first class.

:]

= D
Amen to that!

[zippythewild]

this is what i think.... if there is such thing as heaven hell and or god it think those things are NOTHING like what we imagine

[premiumdancer]

To be perfectly honest, I think that heaven sounds sort of boring.

[premiumdancer]

= D
Amen to that!

Oh, the irony...

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I think that Heaven sounds like Hell and Hell sounds like Heaven.
Which is kind of dumb...
Why would they name Hell 'Heaven'???
= /

Haha.
Irony is the Best.

[premiumdancer]

I just don't understand what one does for eternity.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I just don't understand what one does for eternity.

...
Maybe they have board games.
I mean, Monopolly can probably go on forever...
But no one knows because no one's ever finished it.

[premiumdancer]

That's true. Or, you could write a real never-ending story!

[Gothanimedollfreak]

That would be interesting.
I'd like to read it...but I guess I'd never know the ending then, huh?

[premiumdancer]

Yep. But, then, neither would the writer.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yep. But, then, neither would the writer.

True, true.
Eternity is a strange thing...

[premiumdancer]

Eternity is a frightening thing, if I'm being honest.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

And I can't seem to wrap my mind around the idea of living forever.
It doesn't seem possible.

[premiumdancer]

I suppose that's just because we're both so logical. :rolleyes:

[NachtEngel]

tot :D *tanzen*

tot is the answer for all questions :D

[Gothanimedollfreak]

I suppose that's just because we're both so logical. :rolleyes:

Yes, what a shame too...
I mean, we're going to hell for asking questions...
Ah, well!
Might as welll go out with a bang!

[NachtEngel]

Yes, what a shame too...
I mean, we're going to hell for asking questions...
Ah, well!
Might as welll go out with a bang!

hahaha thats true but hey who cares we can enjoy ourselves in hell O_o lol that sounds weird x_x

[Death's_Soul]

Yeah God's real. How the hell would we have come into being? Fish? Apes? Dust? Monkeys? No, no, no AND NO!

Just because you can't see him doesn't mean his's not real. How do you know if the wind is real? You can't see it. You can feel it yes, but can you see it? No. You can see it's effects on things but not it it's self.

You can feel God when you pray. You can feel the over whelming peace of his gaze on you. Pray once and think. Really think if you have ever felt that before. You can tell.

God is real, damn it. And don't ****ing tell me otherwise.

[NachtEngel]

Yeah God's real. How the hell would we have come into being? Fish? Apes? Dust? Monkeys? No, no, no AND NO!

Just because you can't see him doesn't mean his's not real. How do you know if the wind is real? You can't see it. You can feel it yes, but can you see it? No. You can see it's effects on things but not it it's self.

You can feel God when you pray. You can feel the over whelming peace of his gaze on you. Pray once and think. Really think if you have ever felt that before. You can tell.

God is real, damn it. And don't ****ing tell me otherwise.


umm gods not real :P its just in your head how come he doesnt help the little childeren in 3rd world countries how come we can feel pain why do ppl have to suffer? how come the good seems to never last O_o?

[Death's_Soul]

umm gods not real :P its just in your head how come he doesnt help the little childeren in 3rd world countries how come we can feel pain why do ppl have to suffer? how come the good seems to never last O_o?

God is real. It's not in my head. Are you saying that the people who wrote the Bible were all crazy? Are you saying that all those stories about him are made by crazy people? Are you saying that because there is evil in this world God is not real? No. That's not true.

Evil is in this world because Satan is in the world. Until God comes back there will always be 'suffering, death, bad people and sins'. Until you take God into your heart you will suffer and grow ill and die. If you don't you'll go to hell where all other Non-Believers go. He helps people who ask for his help. He helps people who NEED his help. If you belive in him you won't have to worry about dieing the next day or your soul being sent to hell or into the River of Fire. Good never lasts because people don't. Good never lasts because Satan is here.

He's real. He's real. One day you'll see, the day you die you'll see him and you'll stand before him awed. You'll beg for his forgiveness but he'll say, "Nope. You have chanse after chanse to love me. To trust me. I know your heart. I know your soul. I made you. I know every thing about you. Off to hell with you." And you'll go. You'll be in a dark hole hearing people screaming for help. Never able to talk, to cry, to eat, or to run. Just sitting there screaming for help and waiting the day your soul is burned.

[NachtEngel]

and how u know there is a god plz tell me facts not opinions plus theres more then christianity out there book of hundo koran etcso if we should all belive in god what about their books? did god make them so they wont belive in him? lol

plus eh cant see it or know for a fact gods real so i dont belive in him lol

[premiumdancer]

Yeah God's real. How the hell would we have come into being? Fish? Apes? Dust? Monkeys? No, no, no AND NO!

Just because you can't see him doesn't mean his's not real. How do you know if the wind is real? You can't see it. You can feel it yes, but can you see it? No. You can see it's effects on things but not it it's self.

You can feel God when you pray. You can feel the over whelming peace of his gaze on you. Pray once and think. Really think if you have ever felt that before. You can tell.

God is real, damn it. And don't ****ing tell me otherwise.

Once again: I can't physically feel God like I can wind. You can say you "feel" God when you pray, but it's not a physical sensation. My main problem is not with seeing God. It's with understanding his origin, as I've said several times in this thread.

And I don't understand why it matters so much if I go to hell. If everything you believe is true, and you actually whole-heartedly believe it, then you'll go to heaven, and I'll go to hell because I wasn't willing to stop asking questions. Why doesn't God want us questioning him? It seems he's got a mighty hubris.

[Soaki-chan]

umm gods not real :P its just in your head how come he doesnt help the little childeren in 3rd world countries how come we can feel pain why do ppl have to suffer? how come the good seems to never last O_o?

He is going to sometime, when the time is right. I've been reading "Heidi"...and that's a beautiful story of Love and faith and Freindship. You should read it.

[Soaki-chan]

I suppose that's just because we're both so logical. :rolleyes:

Hunzy, you know I'm right bout the "Logical" stuff. It's sad that over half of the world dosen't believe in god. And about the "Hell's going to be a party" junk, you'll see when you get there. Unless you wanna change your ways. Satan used to be an angel of God, but he wanted God's power, and got kicked out, just like Billy Ray Cyrus. He's evil, I tell you!

[premiumdancer]

I find being called "hunzy" very condescending, although I'm sure you mean "honey." If you come up with a better reason for me to believe in God--one that isn't, "You're going to hell!!!"--maybe I will. But so far you haven't been able to do that.

[Death's_Soul]

Once again: I can't physically feel God like I can wind. You can say you "feel" God when you pray, but it's not a physical sensation. My main problem is not with seeing God. It's with understanding his origin, as I've said several times in this thread.

And I don't understand why it matters so much if I go to hell. If everything you believe is true, and you actually whole-heartedly believe it, then you'll go to heaven, and I'll go to hell because I wasn't willing to stop asking questions. Why doesn't God want us questioning him? It seems he's got a mighty hubris.

And I say this with sight. You don't see air right? You can breath it, you can see the effects it has on people and things. God is like that. If he wanted he could just think and he could make grass turn pink. Or chickens to grow scales. He made these things work and he can take it all away.

He doesn't mind us questioning Him. He wants us to know. He made us in his image. He wants us to be powerful and full of knowledge. He doesn't have a orgin. It's to vastly complex for the human mind to understand.

I'm sorry if I insulted you but I....Have to denfend My Lord's honor.

[premiumdancer]

I'm not talking about sight. I understand that you can't see God, and you can't see air. My point remains that you can't physically feel God.

Quite honestly, all I'm doing is trying to understand the concept of God and I'm being threatened with hell. I don't want to be involved in a religion where I'll be punished for eternity because I'm trying to understand it. Let me ask you a question: based on what you might be able to gather about me through my posts, if I died right now, do you think I'd go to hell?

[elizaTrickster]

I'm not talking about sight. I understand that you can't see God, and you can't see air. My point remains that you can't physically feel God.

Quite honestly, all I'm doing is trying to understand the concept of God and I'm being threatened with hell. I don't want to be involved in a religion where I'll be punished for eternity because I'm trying to understand it. Let me ask you a question: based on what you might be able to gather about me through my posts, if I died right now, do you think I'd go to hell?

probably, but you'd travel first class. (and i'd be there with you)

[Death's_Soul]

I do not know. It says in the bible you have to believe in God to go to heaven. But I would think not. But I mean....What about the people who where never told about Him? The people that live on a small island and where never exposed to this stuff. No. I don't think you'll go to hell.

You're trying to find the answers to this and your trying to understand. He's a kind and just God. I believe that when you die he will give you a chanse to love Him, but if you don't you'll sceece to be. I don't think you'll go to hell.

You can feel him if you pray, like I said. If you listen you can feel a weight on your shoulders. Like a feeling you get when some one is staring at your back. You might even get goosebumps. I do! I like praying to Him because I feel calm and loved when I do. I feel safe and protected when I ask things of him. He might not answer right away but he will strive to help you. God is amazing and is so complex that the human mind can't understand.

I'm happy to answer you questions if you want me too! ^-^

[premiumdancer]

"I believe that when you die he will give you a chanse to love Him, but if you don't you'll sceece to be. I don't think you'll go to hell." So, someone can just not exist? It isn't just you go to heaven or hell? There's another option? I kind of like the option of ceasing to exist. I like it a lot, actually.

And, since I was raised to believe in God, and I now am seriously doubting everything I was taught, wouldn't that make me more of a candidate for hell than someone who's never had the religion brought to his or her attention?

[Death's_Soul]

"I believe that when you die he will give you a chanse to love Him, but if you don't you'll sceece to be. I don't think you'll go to hell." So, someone can just not exist? It isn't just you go to heaven or hell? There's another option? I kind of like the option of ceasing to exist. I like it a lot, actually.

And, since I was raised to believe in God, and I now am seriously doubting everything I was taught, wouldn't that make me more of a candidate for hell than someone who's never had the religion brought to his or her attention?

No. I belive hell is like.....Um...I don't really know. My parents have taught me that hell is a place where you are held and when the Holy Wars come and God wins, he'll distory your soul.

[premiumdancer]

That's interesting. I've never heard that before. So I'm guessing that heaven is where you go to live forever, and that eternity is your reward?

[elizaTrickster]

No. I belive hell is like.....Um...I don't really know. My parents have taught me that hell is a place where you are held and when the Holy Wars come and God wins, he'll distory your soul.

The Holy Wars? You mean the Crusades that happend in the Middle Ages? Or are you talking about Judgement Day?

[Soaki-chan]

I'm not talking about sight. I understand that you can't see God, and you can't see air. My point remains that you can't physically feel God.

Quite honestly, all I'm doing is trying to understand the concept of God and I'm being threatened with hell. I don't want to be involved in a religion where I'll be punished for eternity because I'm trying to understand it. Let me ask you a question: based on what you might be able to gather about me through my posts, if I died right now, do you think I'd go to hell?

Yes...where else would you go? You're not going to heaven...Unless you put your faith in God. You wouldn't want to go to a place where there is no life, no faith, nothing at all except darkness would you?

[premiumdancer]

Actually, yes. I would.

[elizaTrickster]

Yes...where else would you go? You're not going to heaven...Unless you put your faith in God. You wouldn't want to go to a place where there is no life, no faith, nothing at all except darkness would you?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by: "no faith". Would you mind explaining?

[Soaki-chan]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by: "no faith". Would you mind explaining?

:D I mean that there is no God there, and no one to have faith in.:D

[Soaki-chan]

Actually, yes. I would.

Oh really? YOU'll see when you get there. :rolleyes:

[premiumdancer]

All right then. I'm sure you'll be laughing your head off when I'm burning in hell. Because you're so good and godly.

[Soaki-chan]

No....Jeez...you people get offended over the littlest thing. I'd be...well, dissapointed that another soul went to hell. And that all through life was never introduced to Jesus....

[elizaTrickster]

:D I mean that there is no God there, and no one to have faith in.:D

Well quite honestly, just because someone does not believe in God doea not mean they do not believe in someone else.

We were introduced to Jesus, but that doesn't mean that we automatically believe in him. And whenever people are threatened with hell, they never respond welll.

[premiumdancer]

Unless they're the gullible kind who is easily frightened. But, if you really want to save my immortal soul, try actually answering my questions with answers that make sense and aren't that you just can, since obviously I can't. Telling me I'll go to hell, especially when I don't really want to go to heaven and be bored for eternity, isn't going to persuade me.

[Soaki-chan]

Heaven isn't like what you think it is. As the bible describes it, it has roads paved with gold and stuff like that. You'll never be hungry, thirsty....etc.

[elizaTrickster]

Heaven isn't like what you think it is. As the bible describes it, it has roads paved with gold and stuff like that. You'll never be hungry, thirsty....etc.

...and each day would continue on like the day before?

[premiumdancer]

Heaven isn't like what you think it is. As the bible describes it, it has roads paved with gold and stuff like that. You'll never be hungry, thirsty....etc.

That implies that everyone would want roads paved with gold. Why must heaven be one thing? Why not take the form of the heaven each person would want? Why does even heaven have to conform to a "norm"?

And, so I guess I'll never want for anything, too? What if I want for excitement, something to break the monotony of forever?

[corenelovesyou]

I don't think that it means that the roasds are literally paved with gold. I think it symbolizes greatness because you know you can't really put the description of heaven into words. It's too unimaginably great for that. Also, when you get to heaven, you will be so happy and overjoyed to see God that you won't want anything else. You'll forget that you ever had pain or suffering and you wont want anything else.

[premiumdancer]

Will I have books in heaven?

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Yeah, I want books.
All of them!
I mean, since we're gonna be there for all of eternity...

[sockgirl]

I gave up in believing in the Christian faith a long time ago, simple because I never found that God was truly able to do anything for me. It was all just a bunch of hope and wishing, but no real action.

I do believe in some sort of power out there, I don't know what it is though. I just don't believe that it is God or Jesus.

I believe more in the concentration of spiritual energy and the concentration of thoughts that actually make the changes.

[priestess94]

I gave up in believing in the Christian faith a long time ago, simple because I never found that God was truly able to do anything for me. It was all just a bunch of hope and wishing, but no real action.

I do believe in some sort of power out there, I don't know what it is though. I just don't believe that it is God or Jesus.

I believe more in the concentration of spiritual energy and the concentration of thoughts that actually make the changes.

well i mean 'HE' is only going to help you when needed and he has a plan for your life and well if what you are praying for isnt in the plan then he wont awnsere it and he also wants you to dicide on your own cuz he cant help you live life you need to make your dicisions and choose your path and plus he isnt going to help right away

[premiumdancer]

Yeah, I want books.
All of them!
I mean, since we're gonna be there for all of eternity...

Yep. I can read every book ever written! (Or, published, rather.) Since it's not like I'll have anything to do all...day? Day is kind of inappropriate, since I guess all the days will really just run together into one big day called forever.

[premiumdancer]

well i mean 'HE' is only going to help you when needed and he has a plan for your life and well if what you are praying for isnt in the plan then he wont awnsere it and he also wants you to dicide on your own cuz he cant help you live life you need to make your dicisions and choose your path and plus he isnt going to help right away

So, what you're saying is, God is Gandalf?

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Except romance novels and baby books of course.

[premiumdancer]

Oh, of course. Romance novels...ugh. I'd never read a Nora Roberts book because then I wouldn't be in heaven, I'd be in hell. Although I'm apparently going there anyway, so I should just go to the library now. (They've a plethora of her books.)

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Haha. My library has about three or four floors of crap. I can hardly ever find a good book. There's a very select few of those...

[premiumdancer]

Three or four floors? *faints* The town I live in has a pathetic sad little library that should barely be counted as its own building.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Well, yeah, but like I said three or four floors of crap. There's hardly any good books.

[premiumdancer]

Yeah. But I'm sure the chances of finding something worth reading are higher in your library than mine. Especially since my library recently started using this crazy system where the books the library buys no longer belongs strictly to that library. They instead belong to the county and can be at any library in the system at any given time, and it will stay there until someone returns it to where they didn't get it. They're taking away all my Kurt Vonnegut books! :( They're taking away all of the good ones! I went to the library yesterday, and I couldn't find anything new except for book two of a trilogy of which I haven't even read the first.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Dx
That's a terrible system! For one thing, it makes no sense. And it won't work out well for anyone! Geez, are they blind? I mean, where do you live?

[premiumdancer]

I know. Everyone loses. I live in North Carolina. (Which actually does relate to the sentence before it.)

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Ooh...
Well, I live in New York...
Which is okay but...
People are really rude in the city!
Dx

[premiumdancer]

Was that an "ooh" as in "Oh wow you live in North Carolina? That's so cool"?

[Gothanimedollfreak]

It was an "Ooh" as in "Ooh, I've never been there".
Haha.

[premiumdancer]

Ok. Good. I wanted to make sure. Because North Carolina isn't a place that deserves any excitement being incited on its mentioning.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Aw, I'm sure that's not true.
It sounds cozy.

[sockgirl]

well i mean 'HE' is only going to help you when needed and he has a plan for your life and well if what you are praying for isnt in the plan then he wont awnsere it and he also wants you to dicide on your own cuz he cant help you live life you need to make your dicisions and choose your path and plus he isnt going to help right away

In elementary school, I use to pray for emotional strength. I asked for help from everyone that I could think of, everyone that I thought wouldn't judge me harshly, everyone that I thought cared for me. It never came. Their help never worked out. I was hurt more and more everyday. Their hints only made my life worse. I simply wanted a way to cope. I didn't know how to help myself in those situations, and no one else’s advice worked.

I had prayed. I had made decisions to get help. I waited for seven school years. I didn't get help when I needed it the most.

After seven school years, I finally stopped believing in him. If anything, the only help I had ever received from God was that I came out of elementary school scarred.

[premiumdancer]

Aw, I'm sure that's not true.
It sounds cozy.

Uhh...it's true. At least where I live. I'm sure there's some parts of the state that aren't like this, but...I'd rather not have to stay here. Especially since those parts are very small. And "cozy" isn't a word I'd ever be using in reference to any part of this state.

[Gothanimedollfreak]

Haha.
Well, New York isn't all it's cracked up to be either.
= P
But I'll trust you about the North Carolina thing.

[premiumdancer]

Yeah. I don't really have that idealistic view of New York, though. My family is from New York, and I've been there a few times. It wasn't awful, but it's not what everyone makes it seem.

[Theresa1]

I don't know my culture says to belive in them, but no one knows for sure until you die right- i my opinion no one is wrong it's just what they think.

[Dannathrik]

And I bet some of you don't believe in Adam and Eve.

A friend of mine once studied the idea of Adam and Eve in amazing detail... and he came up with the conlusion: "If incest is frowned upon by 'God', Adam and Eve's children would have needed to have children of their own, which means that they would only have eachother. So therefore incest must have happened in the first place between Adam and Eves children. Which in turn also means that we all commit incest every time we have sex with another person." Explain that.
And another point could be Noah's arc. The animals went on two by two. This implies that their offspring would have commited incest to keep their species alive too.
Again, explain that

Some of you think the stories in the bible were completely made up, or years after the real events

The stories in the bible were supposedly based on ancient egyptian texts... Studies have been done on the bible and these texts and have found too many similarities to count. :p Therefore I believe that there is no god.

[kittan]

I personally dont believe in god, and if i did believe in god i would have come to the conclusion, by now, that god has one pretty screwed up mind, with all the things that have happened to me and to the world today. i guess thats why i see the logic in what your saying, Dannathrik. ^.^

[Dannathrik]

I personally dont believe in god, and if i did believe in god i would have come to the conclusion, by now, that god has one pretty screwed up mind, with all the things that have happened to me and to the world today. i guess thats why i see the logic in what your saying, Dannathrik. ^.^

I agree 110%

If there was some god watching over us, wouldn't he have fixed this world already?
Thus I say there is no god. Period.

My friend was incredibly clever to pick up on that incest thing. He's religeous, too! =P

[Soaki-chan]

A friend of mine once studied the idea of Adam and Eve in amazing detail... and he came up with the conlusion: "If incest is frowned upon by 'God', Adam and Eve's children would have needed to have children of their own, which means that they would only have eachother. So therefore incest must have happened in the first place between Adam and Eves children. Which in turn also means that we all commit incest every time we have sex with another person." Explain that.
And another point could be Noah's arc. The animals went on two by two. This implies that their offspring would have commited incest to keep their species alive too.
Again, explain that



The stories in the bible were supposedly based on ancient egyptian texts... Studies have been done on the bible and these texts and have found too many similarities to count. :p Therefore I believe that there is no god.
No, they weren't. The stories in the bible were written by men who LIVED durimg these periods and events. Egyptians didn't believe in God, anyway. At least, not at first. :rolleyes: So, I know that God is real. Go ahead and floozle (Sorry, I make up words all the time! ^.^) your life up with all this logic. I seriously think it's crazy, needing a reason for everything.

And believing in ghosts and not God? Geez...

For the Incest thing,
Adam and Eve NEEDED to reproduce with eachother, and that dosen't count. I'm pretty sure God didn't mind. For the Animals,
they're ANIMALS, dangit! They aren't humans! They don't know that it's wrong! Sheesh....

[kittan]

whats the differnce between now and then and why whould it be different form animals. and anyways you can believe in one then and not another, me being a very far fetched person i believe in werewolves and ghost, etc. but through all the thing that have happened to me in my life the last thing i'm ever going to belive in is god...

[Dannathrik]

No, they weren't. The stories in the bible were written by men who LIVED durimg these periods and events. Egyptians didn't believe in God, anyway

The men who lived found the ancient egyptian scripts or something and stole ideas from it. And egyptians may not have believed in god, but they believed in a few other gods

And believing in ghosts and not God? Geez...

The idea of the presence of a person who once lived, be it their soul, or life force that stays behind, is alot more believable than an almighty presence that created everything we see, do, feel, taste and sense :D

For the Incest thing,
Adam and Eve NEEDED to reproduce with eachother, and that dosen't count. I'm pretty sure God didn't mind. For the Animals,
they're ANIMALS, dangit! They aren't humans! They don't know that it's wrong! Sheesh....

Then why would god have been against incest from the beginning, knowing that each and every child that decended from Adam and Eve would be related? And as for the animals. Yes, they were animals. But yes, it was still incest, reguardless

[kittan]

Claps for Dannathrik-kun ^.^

[Dannathrik]

Claps for Dannathrik-kun ^.^

Hehe =3 It's really only logic. There are loads of contradictions in the bible.

In fact, here's something...

Google the word "Contradictions" and look at the second result:

A List Of Biblical Contradictions (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html)
The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize.

[kittan]

burn..there you go CONTRaDICTIONS, thats kinda hard to say *rolls eyes*

[Dannathrik]

burn..there you go CONTRaDICTIONS, thats kinda hard to say *rolls eyes*

Lol, need some help? =P You should ask god to make the word easier to say, to benefit all of us XD

[priestess94]

I agree 110%

If there was some god watching over us, wouldn't he have fixed this world already?
Thus I say there is no god. Period.

My friend was incredibly clever to pick up on that incest thing. He's religeous, too! =P

ok well the reason these things happen are becuz yes God is there for us but he cant live our lives for us we have to make our own disicions and chose the path we want to take so if he helped us then were would we be? So God does watch over you its just he doesnt control you he is disapointed and sad when you make the wrong choices but he still loves you.

lets just say he is kinda like a parent just really big.

if you pray to him he will listen and you can ask him anything but you will not get it if you dont need it or you just wont get it right away

[kittan]

Let me try......no luck its still hard to say, dammit!!....