I Got It!i Got It!!!! :d

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I know what my halloween costume is going to be!
After ALOOOOTTTT of thinking,I am going to be a Alice puppet or doll from Alice in Wonderland!
:]
I'm so glad that is over xD

[Kawaii Princess]

LOL I was going to be her im being eithe the mad hatter girl or her.. Dood im like...so high snse fashion wen it comes to halloween. it has to b perfect and like one flaw i hate it. LOL. go to my IM CONFUSED thread.

[Guendolen_Sama]

I like that choice. With some careful arranging, you can make that look wonderfully creepy. :) Hm, seen some good creepy-china-doll make-up jobs out there. I need to try to remember just how they did it....

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I wish I could find the dress in black.
I think that if I get the dress from the store,i'll dye the light blue black and then wear the apron that comes with it :]
Then,I will draw lines on my mouth and wear red and black makeup.Then,I will attatch strings to cuffs I am going to wear and attatch the strings to a wooden cross :]
Then!I will make my taller friend be my puppet master xD
Kawii,I posted in your thread.

[Kawaii Princess]

Oh coooooool. Your really creative.
I hate you! LOL my brain dies on me at times.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I have over active thinking.It can be quiet a pain.I can't go to sleep because I become RREEEAAALLLLYYYY creative at night.

[Kawaii Princess]

Oh hahahaha.
I cant go to sleep somtimes just because...

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I'm hyper active xD

[Guendolen_Sama]

I know of a couple places online where you could order dresses in the style. Won't be cheap, mind you, but they'll be great quality....

I wish I could find the dress in black.
I think that if I get the dress from the store,i'll dye the light blue black and then wear the apron that comes with it :]
Then,I will draw lines on my mouth and wear red and black makeup.Then,I will attatch strings to cuffs I am going to wear and attatch the strings to a wooden cross :]
Then!I will make my taller friend be my puppet master xD
Kawii,I posted in your thread.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I know.I mean,I found a dress but I dunno...I need to see how much money I have and how much my mom will give me.I'm excited :D

[Guendolen_Sama]

Well, once you have a budget in mind, I can make a couple recommendations. One, I can pretty much guarantee will be too expensive; it's too costly for me right now, too. But I know of a shop and an eBay store with good prices; I myself ordered a dress from the latter last month, though it's not in yet. I'm really hoping it gets here by Halloween. I want to wear it to work then, if I can get away with it. :)

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I found it Guen!
On Ebay!
It is a bidder one.
The bid ends 12th
One person had bidded $13
I will bid tomorrow!
But It is exactly like a Alice dress!
Just in blue,but I am going to see if it can be made in black!
The dress will be ajusted to your measurment size :D

[Guendolen_Sama]

Is the business called Momo's? If so, that's where I bought my dress from. Which one do you want? I'd like to see. :)

[scorpio grl]

Omg. That is so...awesome. XD Both the idea of it and the fact that, right before I saw this thread two seconds ago, I started looking up Alice in Wonderland pics. *Laughs*

Personally, though, I'd actually like to be Schneewittchen {Snow White}, just from the Grimm's version of the tale. ^^ Though, I know I'm not going to be able to dress up it's a nice idea.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Is the business called Momo's? If so, that's where I bought my dress from. Which one do you want? I'd like to see. :)

Yes!It is!
One minute,i'll get it up.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Omg. That is so...awesome. XD Both the idea of it and the fact that, right before I saw this thread two seconds ago, I started looking up Alice in Wonderland pics. *Laughs*

Personally, though, I'd actually like to be Schneewittchen {Snow White}, just from the Grimm's version of the tale. ^^ Though, I know I'm not going to be able to dress up it's a nice idea.

Why aren't you going to dress up Scorpio?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-puff-sleeves-blue-princess-dress_W0QQitemZ160165439392QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

I'm stoked xD

[scorpio grl]

Why aren't you going to dress up Scorpio?
Ah, well, money's more than tight here and I only have twenty dollars, that of which I will most likely have to give to my math teacher for losing her calculator. ><;

[Starry_Catastrophe]

o.0
You lost her calculator ><"
Ouch.

You could make your own costume though :]
Just...get creative.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Hey, I was checking that one out! It's so pretty. :) And they specifically say at one point the different colors the dress can be made in. Black is one of them. I think you just have to specify when you pay, along with your measurements. You ought to wear it with chunky Mary Janes and striped tights. Here's the dress/blouse set that I ordered, last month:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-Shirring-Lace-black-cotton-dress_W0QQitemZ160164096117QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
It was so pretty, I couldn't resist. As I said, I really hope it gets here in the next couple weeks.... I've heard this business can sometimes be slow on the shipping. So you better order quick!

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I know!
The one I want is up for bid ><"
I have to get it.
It goes out of bid in the next 3-4 days.

[Guendolen_Sama]

You could always look for something under "buy it now." That's what I did. It'll cost a little more, but at least that way the order can go in immediately.

[scorpio grl]

o.0
You lost her calculator ><"
Ouch.

You could make your own costume though :]
Just...get creative.
Unfortunately. I left it in her classroom one day, then two days later when I came back {We have a funky schedule} it wasn't there and she said she hadn't found it. She still hasn't, so I think I'm going to have to pay her because I agreed that if I lost it I would owe her 20$.

I would, but I only own one dress, and my mother would kill me if I messed it up. I don't have many other clothes I could tear up, either, or 'decorate'...

[Guendolen_Sama]

Perhaps you could hit a local thrift store?... If you only pay a couple bucks for something, you can do whatever the heck you want with it without worries.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

You don't have to tear them up.It just has to be something fun :]
Look stuff up you like and see if you could do that.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Yeah,i'm thinking about this one too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-cute-princess-lace-baby-pink-dress_W0QQitemZ150096552600QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3061 QQcmdZViewItem

[Guendolen_Sama]

Oh, that's pretty. That'd probably work. Maybe you could do a special request and ask them to do it in solid black instead of black with white accents. Oh, and what about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-princess-puff-sleeves-pink-dress_W0QQitemZ150049740929QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
Unless you were seeking something a bit more be-ribboned? It is somewhat plain....

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Well,i'm mainly looking for one with a peterpan collar,because I am probably going to wear a red or white apron :]

[scorpio grl]

Perhaps you could hit a local thrift store?... If you only pay a couple bucks for something, you can do whatever the heck you want with it without worries.
Perhaps, but I'd half to look. I live in a somewhat small town so don't really have many thrift stores I don't think; I know we have quite a few antique stores for certain, but that's about it.

Starry: I know, but if I sew something onto a shirt my mother considers still good and can't get it off without ripping, ect. she saws I've torn it up.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Perhaps, but I'd half to look. I live in a somewhat small town so don't really have many thrift stores I don't think; I know we have quite a few antique stores for certain, but that's about it.

Starry: I know, but if I sew something onto a shirt my mother considers still good and can't get it off without ripping, ect. she saws I've torn it up.

Good point :]
I say go with Guen's idea.

Or,what about Ross or T.J. Max if you have them?They are pretty cheap.

[Guendolen_Sama]

A peter pan collar? Okay, then, how about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Elegant-Gothic-Lolita-stunning-lace-pleats-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160142787930QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem\
It's slightly pricier, but it's got a good look about it.

Well,i'm mainly looking for one with a peterpan collar,because I am probably going to wear a red or white apron :]

[Starry_Catastrophe]

It says the page is not reponding o.0

[Guendolen_Sama]

Ack. Let me try again....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Elegant-Gothic-Lolita-stunning-lace-pleats-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160142787930QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
Does this on work?

[scorpio grl]

Good point :]
I say go with Guen's idea.

Or,what about Ross or T.J. Max if you have them?They are pretty cheap.
Umm, I think I'd have to go to Hop. town or C-ville for one of those stores.. We don't even have a Goodwill here; it's all the way over in C-ville.

Guen: It comes up, but the picture is only an 'x'...

[Starry_Catastrophe]

The buttons may be a problem and it is in misses.I have to wear juniors.

[Guendolen_Sama]

So that wasn't a custom one? Okay, then.... How about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-cute-hot-pink-cotton-lace-dress_W0QQitemZ160143874893QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3061 QQcmdZViewItem
It says you can request a custom order of the dress in whatever size and color you require.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I love that one Guen!I think you found the one!! :]

[Guendolen_Sama]

Glad you like! But just for one last bit of temptation, check out this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-sweet-gothic-lolita-Cute-lace-baby-blue-dress_W0QQitemZ160145429263QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
This place is full of pretty things, isn't it? There's a couple I really like.

[scorpio grl]

>< Now you two have me searching eBay for costumes I can't afford. Thanks. ><;;;;

[Guendolen_Sama]

Sorry! **sheepish look** Looking is free, at least.... That's what I tell myself, anyway. Though I really want these two dresses....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-tiered-Junoesque-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160165008057QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Elegant-Gothic-Lolita-Shirring-Lace-black-cotton-dress_W0QQitemZ160165936097QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem
Both with base color black, most likely. I suspect that in this style, pastels would be distinctly unflattering to my chunky frame. :P So black it must be. I wish I had more spare cash, though....

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I like the washed out pink of the second link.

[scorpio grl]

*Slow blink* I love the first one...I wonder how high the bid will go.
Ah, well, I don't know if they could make one big enough for me, anyway. It looks like it'd be too short for my mother's taste, too, and mine as well--I dun like me legs.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Well,the length is knee high,but you can make it longer,All the dresses are custom :]

[scorpio grl]

Yesh, :] I just saw that. I would really love to get it. *Tries to think up a plan to raise some money* Maybe Nonny'll ask me to babysit this weekend....
I'm just afraid of how high the price will get in the bidding--I mean, c'mon, the shipping is already 28 dollars and will go to 40 if you want it delievered UPS Ground--and how long it'll take. I know it says 10-14 business days, but I would actually want to wear it on Halloween. To get it shipped in 3-5 business days, as I said, is 40$.

But I really really do like it....

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Yeah :]
I have to get some ideas for money too.

[scorpio grl]

T.T I am officially in lurve with that dress...*Goes off to mourn never being able to get it*

But Nonny usually pays pretty well when I babysit for her..So maybe I'll try to hit her up for some money.

*Stares at dress* I wonder how you would clean it if it got dirty, you know, without it shrinking to doll size in the wash?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

It should say in the information o.0

[scorpio grl]

I've been looking for it and I don't see anything about the washing process. Perhaps the info comes with the dress...?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Mabey.If Guen was on,she might know.

[scorpio grl]

Probably. I'll try to make a mental note to ask her next time she's on. I would pm her, but right now I'm too busy staring at the dress..Seriously.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

xD
I really hope my mom will let me get the dress..

[scorpio grl]

Same here, but I doubt it. Dx But I shall fantasize and plan for it anyway, if only for the fun of it.

I wonder what I would have to do with my hair and what shoes I would wear...{I think it's quite ironic that I, a person who pretty much hates fashion and dresses, ect., am actually thinking/talking about it..lol}

[Starry_Catastrophe]

xD
Do you have short or long hair?
Curly or straight?
Thick or fine?

[scorpio grl]

Errm, it's a little past my shoulders, about to my bust.
Curly-ish. I can't straighten it worth a damn, but it's not like perm-curly. Some might just call it wavy with a bit of curl at the end.
Thick like a bush. -.- Everytime I brush it, it frizzes up a bit and I get looootsa little brush-babies. I swear, my mother has more grandchildren by me that way...XD

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Hmm,pigtails?
Or,you could just wear a headband :]

[scorpio grl]

X3 I think I'll just go with a head band or something.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

xD
I think I am going to order one of those frilly,lolita ones >>''
I dunno,or,i'll just make one.

[scorpio grl]

I still want: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-tiered-Junoesque-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160165008057QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting You know, the awesome-tastic one~~ ^^ I just can't think of any shoes I have that would work with it.

Make one? Are you serious?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

No,no,I mean a headband,not a dress xD
Good choice in dress :3

[scorpio grl]

Ooooooooo ^///^U Whoops. Lol
Thanks, but it's already gone up another bid. Dx
And you should go for one of those headbands. I don't think one would look good on me, but I'm sure it would be cute on you.
I've already gotten an idea..-ish thing for my hair.

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Coolio :3
My mom wasn't keen on me doing buisness day ordering,but I convinced her,I just hope I can get ther dress ><"

[Sugar Baby]

me and my cool friends are gonna be Crayons!

[Guendolen_Sama]

Ah, you're drooling over one of my favorite designs. Good choice. ;) As for accessories.... Well, in regards to shoes, anything akin to a Mary Jane, ballerina flat- maybe with a bow on the toe- or a Victorian-esque boot, like a "granny" boot, would look good. A lot of Lolitas favor platforms and heavy thick soles, but they're not absolutely required. Basically, something that is either pretty and ladylike or Gothic without being punk or industrial. In regards to hair, you have several options. Just be sure it matches your dress!
Now, headgear. As Starry said, you can do the headband, either a plain one or the be-ribboned almost maid-cap-like ones. If you don't think you can pull off one of those, you might consider trying an in-between; a headband with a bow attached. It can be any size and location, really. The most common variation is a big floppy one perched right on top of your head, but I've seen smaller ones and ones angled to the side and so forth. It'd be pretty easy to make; just get a nice headband, a stretch of ribbon, and tie the ribbon on the headband in a bow in the shape you want. You could also try to attach a false flower to a headband, with or without a ribbon. You can use little combs or barrettes with bows, ribbons, flowers, etc. You could wear a top hat. Tiny top hats attached to ribbons or headbands (only way to get it to sit on the head) are popular, but you have to get them from Lolita shops. That's the sort of headpiece I have, and I quite like it. :) You could wear a straw hat, though that would probably look better with a short-sleeved "sweet" (i.e. cute and frilly and pastel) Lolita dress. You could wear a little tiara or crown. Let me think and see if I can dream up any further options for you.
As for cleaning, it says the dresses must be hand-washed or dry-cleaned. No wringing or twisting the fabric. Oh, and guys, don't forget to order petticoats! That's what makes the skirt poof out. Me, I'm going to see if I can find an alternate means of improvising one until I can order one.

I still want: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-tiered-Junoesque-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160165008057QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting You know, the awesome-tastic one~~ ^^ I just can't think of any shoes I have that would work with it.

Make one? Are you serious?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

As for making the dress poof out,yeah,i'm ordering one of those,AND!
That dress i'm bidding on,I am the highest bidder so far!
EEEEEKKKK!
I'm excited.
I will make a headband,and i'm going to look for a petticoat right now.

[scorpio grl]

I have a tiara-ish thing I want to wear, though I would love a top hat.

As for my hair, I've decided that I am going to go with curling it in ringlets around my face, sort of like older glass dolls. ^^

I would also like to get a parasol to go with it as well. What do you guys think?

As for the dress situation:...T.T My mother said no. She said that it's too expensive and that I should just make my own dress...
BUT, there is hope for me~ My brother has suddenly been possessed by really really nice demons or something, and has decided he will buy it for me as long as it doesn't go above 50$. *Squee's like fangirl* :D

Petticoat: I'm looking for one that would match it, but I'm having a little trouble. Dx Anyone willing to help? Or has anyone found a way to DIY?

And thanks for telling me the about the cleaning.

Shoes: I'm think of 'stealing' my friend's boots to wear. They're a bit like 'granny' boots--they only go, like, just past the ankle--but they zip up and have a fake buckle on the side. And they're black. <3

[scorpio grl]

{Grr, posted twice. ><;}

[Starry_Catastrophe]

Hmm,you might beable to go to the costume store and get one of those full skirts thta go under a princess costume.Or,you could probably get net or stiff cloth,sew it into layers for poof and get a elastic waistband.

[scorpio grl]

Hmm,you might beable to go to the costume store and get one of those full skirts thta go under a princess costume.Or,you could probably get net or stiff cloth,sew it into layers for poof and get a elastic waistband.
Maybe I'll try that...

So, what do you think of the hair, tiara, and parasol choices?

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I like your ideas :3
I am soo excited xD
I am the winning bidder on my dress so far.
Omygoshiesitissoamazing!<3

[scorpio grl]

Thanks ^^ I just really hope I get the dress. It's already up to $17.50 and the bidding ends in a day and 8 hours. Dx *Sniffs*
Congrats! I hope you get it. ^^
*Stares longingly at dress* ...><

Edit: Sorry, but I have to get off. ^^; It's 2:30 somethingorother and I want to be awake tomorrow; it's my last day until fall break [we only get 2 days ><] and my middle school principal is 'supposedly' supposed to come to all our classes tomorrow dressed as a woman--heels; dress/skirt; makeup; and, my suggestion : [I]fishnet stockings/pantyhose. :D 'Night~

[rockerchic24]

Funny enough Guen, me and my Mom were at a fabric and she was talking about my prom dress (She likes to think ahead ^^''') and she was telling me we'd have to get me a petticoat with it. and I'm pretty sure you'll get the dress Scorpio.

[scorpio grl]

Lol. ^^; I really hope so. It's already up to 26$ and the bidding ends in 18 hrs and 26 mins...

>< And I have a problem. Right after I got off last night I started looking for my tiara-thingy...It be's gone-ed. ><><><

[Guendolen_Sama]

Okay, ringlets around your face would be perfect. A LOT of Gothic Lolitas wear their hair in that style. The little tiara would be good, as well; I hope you can find it. As for petticoats, the business we're discussing here has one; it's described as an organza skirt, if I remember correctly. I know of a couple other sites that carry them, as well. Though you could also try to find some full skirt with tulle under it, like in a thrift store or whatever, and use that. Some girls also wear square dancing petticoats, to get the right sort of poof. Not sure where to get one of those. As for matching, I'd recommend just getting basic white. You don't want it to protrude, just add volume to the skirt itself. So get a plain white that'll go with anything you wear it under.

I have a tiara-ish thing I want to wear, though I would love a top hat.

As for my hair, I've decided that I am going to go with curling it in ringlets around my face, sort of like older glass dolls. ^^

I would also like to get a parasol to go with it as well. What do you guys think?

As for the dress situation:...T.T My mother said no. She said that it's too expensive and that I should just make my own dress...
BUT, there is hope for me~ My brother has suddenly been possessed by really really nice demons or something, and has decided he will buy it for me as long as it doesn't go above 50$. *Squee's like fangirl* :D

Petticoat: I'm looking for one that would match it, but I'm having a little trouble. Dx Anyone willing to help? Or has anyone found a way to DIY?

And thanks for telling me the about the cleaning.

Shoes: I'm think of 'stealing' my friend's boots to wear. They're a bit like 'granny' boots--they only go, like, just past the ankle--but they zip up and have a fake buckle on the side. And they're black. <3

[scorpio grl]

Lol I know, that's how I got the idea. ^^

I do, too, or my mother will kill me...>.> *Hides in closet*

OK. So, a white tulle. Got it..

And what do you think about the parasol idea?

[Guendolen_Sama]

A parasol? Great idea. That's another very popular accessory in the look. I plan to get one myself at some point, in fact. :) You'll want one without any design on it unless it looks either Victorian or Gothy; perhaps with lace trim (or all made of lace, if you can find one that will coordinate), or with ruffling around the edge or something. Make sure it matches the dress, too. :)

[scorpio grl]

Yay~ And I figured as much, so I looked one up the other night. This was the cheapest one I could find:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Handmade-Belgian-lace-Black-umbrella-parasol_W0QQitemZ180166581036QQihZ008QQcategoryZ14 64QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
On eBay, anyway. I don't know where else to look for these types of things. ^^; What do you think?

[rockerchic24]

I like it! ^_^ It's very pretty, and if it matches the discription, and is homemade, it would add a nice touch, I think.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Pretty. That would work very nicely. :) I've had some difficulty in parasol searches, myself. I know you can get them from brand sites, but those can be more expensive. Though have a look here:
http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/english/index.html
I don't know what your price range is, but you can get a parasol here for, oh, about sixteen or so bucks and change, once you convert the yen. The shipping will be pretty expensive, though. Just as a warning. But at least you can look.... Get an idea of the style. Umbrellas and parasols are found under "Miscellaneous."

[scorpio grl]

Thanks, and I looked. They're very nice. ^^ And my price range is: as low as it can possibly get.

I like the black and silver one; it's 17.0711 U.S. dollars' wise. {I'm guessing we round up with that?}

What's the shipping fee? Meaning: How many years of my life am I going to have to sell in order to pay it?

[Guendolen_Sama]

Your price range sounds like mine. ;) Thing is, when it comes to Gothic Lolita, you can expect to spend.... It's not a cheap hobby. In Japan, a full outfit, with clothes, accessories, etc. can cost as much as a thousand dollars. I'm serious. I don't know the shipping fees off the top of my head for this one. But I do know that in August, I ordered a tote bag from them. The price converted to sixteen and some change. The shipping was actually slightly higher than that amount. Mind you, I got the item within four days of ordering it, so the delivery speed was great and reliable. But it's coming all the way from Japan, so it'll cost you, sadly....

[UnwantedHope]

I know what my halloween costume is going to be!
After ALOOOOTTTT of thinking,I am going to be a Alice puppet or doll from Alice in Wonderland!
:]
I'm so glad that is over xD

Yay! GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!! I'm gonna be a Naruto (Show) fan!

[scorpio grl]

O.O Oh, dear..A thousand dollars?

I do like the idea of getting the item quickly, but I cannot spend much more money. I don't even think I'll get the dress...
Anywho, thanks for the linky. I'll try to see if I can find their shipping costs.

[Guendolen_Sama]

You're welcome! Yup, it's a ridiculously expensive hobby. Better in the U.S., but not by too much. Especially if you buy brand. I can't, except for accessories, because of my size- heck, I can't even wear brand tall socks, or at least I assume I can't, as even normal American knee socks don't go all the way up my big calves. Japanese sizes are smaller, so I'm assuming they won't fit. I know the clothes won't. I don't believe they have a uniform shipping cost listed anywhere, though. I didn't find out what it was until after I'd ordered. If I'd known, I'd have gotten a couple other items while I was at it, to bundle costs. Good luck finding stuff, though!

[scorpio grl]

*Dances* I think I might actually get it! Whootishness~

Wow, I'm sorry. Have you tried finding a larger size? I know how you feel. I'm a pretty big girl as well and have to get larger clothes than girls my age. It's especially embarrassing in gym, ect.

Thanks again. You've been a great help, especially in showing me the dress. ^^

[Soaki-chan]

I dunno what i want to be...


any suggestions?

OH: I did want to be a gothic or sweet lolita, but according to my mother,

"The sweet lolitas are the one on crack and gothic on cociane."

and my dad thinks the dresses make them look trashy.

One o' my friend's sister was a sweet Lolita for halloween last year...and she was 11!

[Guendolen_Sama]

You're welcome! I'm glad I've been able to help. And yes, I have looked for larger sizes. It hasn't worked yet. My calves are a whopping twenty inches at their fullest point, see. It's all muscle, but it's still pretty big. Though yes, finding quirky and interesting attire is hard for us full-figured types, isn't it?

*Dances* I think I might actually get it! Whootishness~

Wow, I'm sorry. Have you tried finding a larger size? I know how you feel. I'm a pretty big girl as well and have to get larger clothes than girls my age. It's especially embarrassing in gym, ect.

Thanks again. You've been a great help, especially in showing me the dress. ^^

Okay, I don't even understand either of your parents' perspectives, there. The Gothic Lolita culture has nothing to do with drugs, for one thing. So saying they're all on crack is a gross misapprehension. And how can they look trashy when the whole point of the look is to be demure, ladylike, and classy? I think they're somehow lumping Gothic Lolita in with Goth; with some of those clothes, I could see how someone might think that. I'll have to see if I can find some information to share that might give them a better idea.... I see no problem with an eleven year old wearing a Sweet Lolita dress, myself. I mean, a lot of Sweet Lolitas deliberately seek to emulate the "little girl" look. She's already got a head start, due to being younger! In fact, I think a girl that age would look really cute, in one of those dresses. But that's me.

I dunno what i want to be...


any suggestions?

OH: I did want to be a gothic or sweet lolita, but according to my mother,

"The sweet lolitas are the one on crack and gothic on cociane."

and my dad thinks the dresses make them look trashy.

One o' my friend's sister was a sweet Lolita for halloween last year...and she was 11!

[scorpio grl]

Wow. I'm simply big, not muscled. ^^;; I'm weak; though, I am quite proud of myself for being able to climb that rock wall the other day. :D

Yes, it is. Dx Most clothes, I believe, are made for stick-figured little women who don't eat.

[Guendolen_Sama]

I'm both. I do Tae Kwon Do, so I have strongly developed legs from all the kicking. My calves are solid. Everything else is squashy. :P I hear you on the clothes thing. It's been proven sizes are being made steadily smaller as time passes, too. Women are pigeonholed. It's even harder at my age. Everything available in my size seems to be designed for old ladies and forty year old soccer moms. :P This is why I need to go back to school for fashion design.... I'd love to make a go at changing some of that. Including designing Gothic Lolita fashions, of course. Which, admittedly, I already do. :)

[scorpio grl]

Ah, well, I'm simply just squishy~ ^^ Lol But it's really cool that you do Tae Kwon Do. You obviously can defend yourself easily; the only way I can is either glare--which scares a lot of people for some reason..--or threaten to squish-ed them. XD

I feel you. Man, I sometimes wish to go be to 'Ye Olden Days' where if a girl was bigger she was more wanted; it meant she had money and was well-fed, damnit. >< Now being a bit bigger is a bad thing!

I would love to see that happen! And of course, me being your friend, I'd get plenty of discounts, right? ;);) Lol

[Guendolen_Sama]

I've had much the same though, to be honest. I'd love to still have the aesthetic from the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Full-figured was desirable, in those days. Nowadays, they want a toothpick with watermelons stuck to the front. :P I think I could maybe see my way clear to offering discounts to friends, yes.... ;) If it should ever happen. And hey, maybe you could try martial arts sometime. You don't have to athletic to do it. I'm inept, when it comes to sports. Yet I do that one thing well. You never know.... I'm a huge advocate of self-defense training, though, so I'll just stop right here, before I totally derail.

[scorpio grl]

Exactly! It's absolutely ridiculous. And if we complain, most people will just say "Oh, well, you're just saying that because you're bigger," or "You're just jealous". It's utterly crackers!

Lol Who knows. Maybe I could model 'em, too~ XDD J/k, j/k

And maybe. If someone else game me the money to pay for them, sure, because I know I can't afford them now. Besides, I'm very clumsy. ^^;;; The floor and other inanimate objects like to bite me for some reason..
*Laughs*

[Guendolen_Sama]

What gets me is the people who have the notion that because you're bigger, you must be a compulsively snacking couch potato. The ones who are like, "God, just go on a diet!" Sometimes it's not that simple. I mean, I work out. Martial arts is not easy, and I work hard when I train. I'm pretty strong and healthy. But... bulky. It sticks around no matter what I do. Sometimes there are extenuating factors, like metabolism, build (I've got big bones and a stocky frame), possible other problems like thyroid issues, etc. And hey, if I ever get to do the boutique thing, I definitely want some full-figured models! That'd be great. My ideal is to have models of all different shapes and sizes. Heavy, skinny, short, tall.... Run the gamut. Complete clothing equality is what I'm after. :)

[scorpio grl]

Oh yes, I completely agree. I may not work out that much, but I do not sit around eating every minute of the day. I find it simply infuriating that people act like that. I have big bones, too, and am fairly tall--about 5'7, 5'8 or so. I can't really help that I'm a bit large.
And besides, they've proven that there's a gene that controls your metabolism or something along those lines. Some people don't have enough of them, so they can't help it.

*Laughs* I love that idea, but I doubt I'd be a good model. ^^;

[Guendolen_Sama]

You're lucky. I'm only about five foot two or so. So everything looks bulkier than it already is, because there's less distribution area. :P But I remember a number of years ago, I was taking a healthiness quiz online. One of the questions was about how much exercise you get. At first it was a lot, medium, etc. But the last one, instead of saying little to none, read "The only exercise I get is the path between the couch and the refrigerator." I was so offended I stopped, at that point. Just because you don't work out all the time doesn't make you a munch monster! But hey, you might make a good model. Don't know until you try. ;)

[scorpio grl]

That's awful. >< I used to get Cosmo and Seventeen, and one quiz I saw in there was kind of like that. The question was about the same, except it stated "Uhh, does walking to classes count?" I thought it was a tad funny then, but still.
Yes, I might, but it's doubtful because I don't look good in pictures, and I don't like having my picture taken.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Oh, I'm so much like you there. I'm not photogenic at all, and feel awkward about being photographed because of it. I hate almost all pictures of myself. I see them and think, "Man, I thought I looked nice, then. Instead I look like this skin-colored balloon or whatever...." Ick. :P And Gothic Lolitas like to be photographed.... I met some local ones last month, and it was photography-heavy. I'm like, "Man, they're all so cute, and look at me...." So frustrating.

[scorpio grl]

Exactly. I hate pictures of myself. ><
Really now? I wish we had some Gothic Lolitas here...That'd be cool.

Hey, do you have any make up tips that would go with the dress?

[Guendolen_Sama]

Are you on Live Journal? If so, search communities for a Lolitas group in your area. That's what I did. And was quite happy to find one. :) They're really nice girls, too, mostly all college age. And not fazed by me being a little older, luckily.... I felt very welcomed, in fact. As for make-up tips.... Keep it subtle. You don't want anything big or punchy. Go for colors that naturally blend with the skin. You want to subtly highlight your features, not proverbially smack someone with your cosmetics. Now, if you want to do the more strongly gothic side of things, you can be a bit more dramatic. In that, you have leeway to use more definitive eyeliner, deeper-toned lipstick, etc. But if you're doing classic, and definitely if you're doing sweet, you want understated and subtle. If you go sweet or princess-classy (there's a whole subset of the look called "Hime Lolita," which is basically out to look like a high-class princess, rich, elegant, and glittery), then you might want to include some sparklies. Other than that, just make sure it blends well and is fresh and natural-looking.

[scorpio grl]

Live Journal? I've not heard of that..^^; But I'll try it, thanks.
Alrighty, that sounds good. I'm going to try to be slightly gothic, but mainly keep it subtle. Thanks again.

[Guendolen_Sama]

You've never heard of LiveJournal? Honestly? It's one of the biggest and best-known blog sites out there.... You will have to sign up for a blog if you want to join a community there, but no one says you have to write in it if you don't want to. And you're welcome for the tips. If you want to look a bit gothy, as I said, you have freedom to wear the make-up a bit more visibly. A smoky hint to the eyes, a more noticeable tone to the lipstick. But don't go all-out "goth" make-up, really. So trying to keep it somewhat toned down is definitely the better choice.

[scorpio grl]

Honestly. Lol I'm not really into all those blog sites, ect. I have Bebo, that's about it, and I don't even go on there unless one of my friends messages me.
I probably won't wear lipstick, maybe lip gloss or something, but I will put on dark eyeliner and shadow. That's the way I normally do my make up anyway.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Hey, I usually only use LJ to communicate with other people. I hardly ever write in it; I just don't see the need to advertise every detail of my life, really. As for your costume, you do want to use some sort of lip color, just to make it look complete. A deep pink gloss ought to do the trick, though, if you don't want all-out lipstick. It'll add a hint of color and shimmer without being annoying.

[scorpio grl]

Me, either. It's just I only know of you having LJ, no one else, and there's no one I know from school who has it who's told me. Besides, I usually only talk to people on here or [rarely] on Bebo. Why would I need a different site just to talk to the same people?
Alrighty then, I'll try the lip gloss and if it doesn't look right, I'll try lipstick. ^^

[Guendolen_Sama]

Well, other people got me using LJ. As I said, it's a handy means of communication for and with them. I talk to different people in different groups, too. There's some overlap, but not completely. Say, be sure to post a picture of you all Lolita'd up whenever you get the end result all together. :) Oh, I almost forgot- be sure to get appropriate socks or stockings. Knee socks are really popular, especially lace-topped, if you can find them. Tights would too, solid, flowered/patterned, or striped. Stripey tights or stockings are popular choices. For a wide variety of inexpensive and versatile socks and tights, look here: http://www.sock-dreams.com/_shop/edit/index.php
I think they even have a knee sock which they promise stretches up to twenty inches, which is what I need. I must order some at some point. :)

[scorpio grl]

Ah, I'm not too keen on posting a piccy. Maybe I'll pm you one or something because you helped me so much. ^^
And yes, I know. Lol That was one of the first things I thought of. :p I just plan to wear a plain pair of black or white knee-high socks or something.
And that's a pretty cool site! I didn't know they had a whole website dedicated to socks/footwear and care; I probably should have known, though, with website out there dedicated completely to one thing or another..
Good for you. I really hope they meet expectations.

Whelp, I must bid you goodnight for now. I'm tuckered out and want to sleep; I'm just glad it's fall break now, even if it is only for two days...>< {*Grumbles*} *Hugs* G'night!~

[Sugar Baby]

No one cares that ima be a crayon...*crys*

[scorpio grl]

I care!~ I think you'll be a lovely crayon. ^^ What color will you be?

[Guendolen_Sama]

Hey, do whatever you want to do in regards to pictures. No biggie. :) I'm just glad I could help in some way.

Ah, I'm not too keen on posting a piccy. Maybe I'll pm you one or something because you helped me so much. ^^
And yes, I know. Lol That was one of the first things I thought of. :p I just plan to wear a plain pair of black or white knee-high socks or something.
And that's a pretty cool site! I didn't know they had a whole website dedicated to socks/footwear and care; I probably should have known, though, with website out there dedicated completely to one thing or another..
Good for you. I really hope they meet expectations.

Whelp, I must bid you goodnight for now. I'm tuckered out and want to sleep; I'm just glad it's fall break now, even if it is only for two days...>< {*Grumbles*} *Hugs* G'night!~

[rockerchic24]

I'm going to be a gothic sand ninja. :D I'm so excited!!! I have black lipstick, and eyeliner too!

[Starry_Catastrophe]

I'm going to be a gothic sand ninja. :D I'm so excited!!! I have black lipstick, and eyeliner too!

That sounds cool :]

[rockerchic24]

Thanks! ^_^ I'm going to wear tan shorts, a tan tanktop, and my headband. And a kunai if possible.

[scorpio grl]

Hey, do whatever you want to do in regards to pictures. No biggie. :) I'm just glad I could help in some way.
I didn't get the dress...Someone else bought it. I'm trying to find another one I like now. *Angst*

[Guendolen_Sama]

**pats consolingly** Don't worry. There's plenty to choose from. Look under "buy it now." Not quite so cheap, but at least you're assured the sale.

[scorpio grl]

Thanks, I'm looking under there now. *Hangs head* I really liked that one, too, damnit..

[Guendolen_Sama]

I don't blame you. It was one of my favorites, too.... But hopefully another one will catch your eye. There are certainly plenty to choose from.

[scorpio grl]

I agree. Want to help me search for one like it? I really liked the way it was done and am having a bit of trouble finding one similarly done. I've actually found one that comes with a corset and headdress, but it's on auction and I want one with attatched long sleeves..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Elegant-Gothic-PUNK-Corset-Black-dress-free-headdress_W0QQitemZ160167459188QQihZ006QQcategoryZ 63861QQcmdZViewItem

[Guendolen_Sama]

Don't see why I can't offer some feedback. Perhaps this one, if you have them make it in black?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-stunning-bows-baby-pink-dress_W0QQitemZ150092427005QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem

[scorpio grl]

That's pretty, but do you think you can help me find one with a collar like the other one as well? I've been looking and only found a few. Collars like turtle necks are uncomfortable to me for some reason..><

[Guendolen_Sama]

I hear you there. I don't like high collars either. Make me feel like I'm being strangled. What about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-Victorian-Aristocrat-black-dress_W0QQitemZ160161085952QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem

[scorpio grl]

Exactly. I cannot stand to wear high collars or turtle neck for that very reason.
*Laughs* I just looked at that one, and it's been my top choice so far. ^^; I think I just might try to get it.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Okay, before you do, how about this one here?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Gothic-Lolita-Victorian-princess-pink-dress_W0QQitemZ160151060705QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6386 1QQcmdZViewItem

[scorpio grl]

Lol. I've seen that one as well, and didn't like it as much because of it's lacy collar. Though, it is pretty and is my second choice.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Hm. Okay. Well, I'm still poking around.... Seeing if there's anything else that might be palatable.

[scorpio grl]

Thanks, I appreciate your help. ^^ I'm still kind of disappointed over the loss of the first one, though. Dx It was so awesome..

[Guendolen_Sama]

You're welcome! I know it's also got lace on the collar, but how about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sweet-Gothic-Lolita-stunning-pleats-dusty-pink-dress-L_W0QQitemZ160143676343QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63861QQc mdZViewItem
They have a custom-making option, so you could do that and have it in black. I hear you on being disappointed about your very first choice, though. That would be a let-down.... And it was such a great dress.

[scorpio grl]

That's gorgeous, but I've just looked at all three's prices again and did the mental math; all are pretty much out of the question unless I can get some more money because my brother isn't going to buy one that goes above 50$. ><;
Yes, I know. It was beautiful and man did I want it..I just wish they had more of it in stock.

[Guendolen_Sama]

Well, they are custom-made. In fact, another auction on the same design might well go up shortly.... But it'd probably be the same thing, with the steadily rising price. Why don't you check auctioned items for ones whose auctions are about to run out? See if you like any whose prices are still on the lower side.

[scorpio grl]

Alrighty, I'll try that. Maybe there'll be something cheaper that's ending soon that I like. Of course, I believe that's probably a painfully optimistic hope..

[Guendolen_Sama]

Yes, probably. But fools that we are, we can't help but cling to that hope. Even if we know its far-fetched. Hope you have something on tap by now, though. :)

[scorpio grl]

*Laughs* Yes, I suppose we are. ^^ And thanks, again for all your help. I'm going to try to go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Elegant-Gothic-PUNK-Corset-Black-dress-free-headdress_W0QQitemZ160167459188QQihZ006QQcategoryZ 63861QQcmdZViewItem
I know, I know, vain hope rears it's gorgeous head again and blinds me..

[Guendolen_Sama]

Go for it! I hope you can get it. :) Must say I do rather like that one. It even comes with a headpiece, so you don't have to go looking for one. :)

[scorpio grl]

Me, too. :) And I know--along with a corset, too--that's one of the reasons why I don't think I'll be able to get it. -.-;;; I think others are going to be just as detemined to get it as I.

[Sugar Baby]

...im sad...NOBODY CARES THAT IMA BE A CRAYON!

(*goes and cries in a corner*)

[Guendolen_Sama]

Hon, this thread was made to talk about Gothic Lolita costumes. It's nice you want to be a crayon, but it would be more appropriate to talk about that in a more generalized costume thread. Your idea really not what this thread was designed to talk about, you know.

[scorpio grl]

...im sad...NOBODY CARES THAT IMA BE A CRAYON!

(*goes and cries in a corner*)
A few pages ago I replied that I cared; I even asked what color you planned to be..

[Sugar Baby]

Okay, I guess this is my last reply. Bye.