Spanish for you-- if you want to.

[Tracia]

Okay this is opened specially for KitsuneNoKoi, but anyone interested can come and participate. To learn or teach. :D

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Okay this is opened specially for KitsuneNoKoi, but anyone interested can come and participate. To learn or teach. :D
Yay!I feel so special!*claps for self*Oh!I should go get a notebook*searches for one*

[Tracia]

Um.. okay... just tell me what you know or... I dunno. Questions, doubts.. things you'd like to know how to say... stuff...

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Um.. okay... just tell me what you know or... I dunno. Questions, doubts.. things you'd like to know how to say... stuff...
Well I'd like to start off with the same way you learn Japanese kind of.You know?The whole..."it is" and such.

[Tracia]

the verb "to be"? That's a little hard, cos it's split in two, but let's see..

In spanish, the verb "to be" is splitted in two. Verb "ser", which implies existance and verb "estar", which implies position.

PRONOUNS FIRST:
I - yo
You - tu
He - el
She - ella
It - eso/esa
We - nosotros
You - ustedes
They - ellos/ellas

IN spanish, gender is important. You must learn to make difference of gender, cos words have gender. In pronouns, we separate males from females and that will affect the way you build the whole phrase, but don't get scared. It's not that hard if you pay attention.
Verbs are not much affected by this, but it's important anyway.

Most of the time, masculine words are ended in O, U or a consonant.
Female words are usually ended in A, I.
Vocal E is very neutral, so you will hve to pay attention to how it's used.

We'll be making remarks of the gender during aaaaalllll this thread. I know how confusing it can get.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Okay yeah.Like if you said "eres muy bonita" it would directed to a girl.

[Tracia]

CONJUGATION OF SER

I'll be using pronouns in spanish, so check the post above about it.

Yo - soy
Tu - eres
El - es
Ella - es
Eso - es
Nosotros/nosotras - somos
UStedes - son
Ellos/ellas - son

Check how I made a point by marking the gender in We and They. The verb is not affected, but the words accompaning the verb will be.
I marked ESO because there are several words for this one and you have to be careful:

Eso - is used for non-living things and the most used for expressions as 'What's that?" ¿Qué es eso?

Esa - is used for both living and non-living things. For non living things is aplicated just as ESO but in referal of a femenine word or object. For living things, is used mainly for poiting out people: "Esa persona" (that person). It also has a despective meaning when talking about a female. "Thell that woman to shut up" (Dile a esa que se calle). Females can find it aggresive and even offensive, so be careful.

Ese - is used just like esa, but this has a male connotation.

This verb implies existance. It responds to the question: What is it?

Yo soy buen estudiante.
(I'm a good student)

Ellos son amigos
(They're friends)

CONJUGACION DE ESTAR
Yo estoy
Tu estas
El está
Ella está
Eso está
Nosotros estamos
Ustedes están
Ellos están

This verb implies existance and position. It responds to the questions What are they doing? Where are they?

Yo estoy comiendo
(I'm eating)

Ella está cocinando
(she's cooking)

[Tracia]

Okay yeah.Like if you said "eres muy bonita" it would directed to a girl.

Yes. Usually, bonita is only used for females all ages. For males, the usage is limitated during their childhood. Later on, it's no good you call them "bonito".
Of course you can use this adjective for objects.

Es una casa bonita.
(It's a pretty house)

Ese es un auto bonito.
(That's a pretty car)

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Oooo!Muchas gracias!

[Tracia]

I'll start with colours cos I find it simply. Then we'll see other adjectives.

Red - rojo
blue - azul
green - verde
yellow - amarillo
pink - rosa
black - negro
white - blanco
orange - naranja
light blue - celeste
purple - morado, púrpura
lilac - lila
brown - café
violet - violeta
turquoise - turquesa
aquamarine - acuamarina
golden - dorado
silver - plateado
bronze - bronce

The adjectives, unlike spanish, go usually after the subject. There are ocations when they're placed before, but that's a more poetic kind of speaking and can usually be found only in literature. ALso, not just about any adjective can be placed before the subject, cos It might change the whole meaning. Let's just keep the
subject + adjective structure.

In spanish we also use particles before the subject itself that defines the gender of it.
THE has an equivalent of:
El
La
Los
Las

El and La being single. Los Las being multiple
EL/LOS being male
LA/LAS being female

La casa blanca
The white house

Los patitos amarillos
The yellow duckies

El sol dorado
The golden sun

Las calles negras
The black streets

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Uh-huh*nods*

[Tracia]

Gender is something difficult for many english speakers and some other languages, and it can get a bit confusing, but it's not that much. You just need to pay a little attention.

Today I'll put up some descriptive adjectives used mainly for people. Remember, they go after the subject; and they're written as:
MALE/FEMALE - MEANING

bonito/bonita - pretty
feo/fea - ugly
alto/alta - tall
bajo/baja - short
pesado/pesada - heavy
ligero/ligera - light weighted
callado/callada - quiet
pasivo/pasiva - steady
cuidadoso/ cuidadosa - careful
gordo/gorda - fat
flaco/flaca - skinny
delicado/delicada - delicate
seguro de sí mismo / segura de sí misma - self secure
orgulloso/orgullosa - proud
relajado/relajada - laid back
nervioso/nerviosa - tense
enojado/enojada - upset, mad.
loco/loca - crazy, insane

with these, the verbs Ser and _Estar are quite exchangable, but sometimes can have a bit of a different meaning. Nevertheless, when using them, they'll probably smile, but will understand.

Ella es bonita
She is pretty

The verb Ser denotes affirmation here. While using Estar:
ella está bonita
would require the affirmation of a third, but the response could be both possitive and negative, cos it opens the door to personal opinion.

A: Ella está bonita
B: Si, mucho. (yes, very)

A: Ella está bonita
B: ¡Para nada! (Not at all!)

[*bAbY**]

ugh...cool.I have some Questions.Just to see,if you REALLY know Spanish,or if you are a fake.;) Just testing.Other-wise,I'll take over,the fourm.Here is you're Quiz.If you don't answer,in 3 days,or get 3 wrong,then I'll take over,here is you're quiz.

My name is:______________________________________
Hello:______________________
Goodbye:_______________________
Thank you:____________________________
You're Welcome:___________________________
Dog:___________________________________
Cat:______________________________
Brother:__________________________
Sister:____________________________
Mother:____________________________________
Father:____________________________
Teacher:_________________________________
color:___________________________
:D :D :D

[*bAbY**]

ugh...cool.I have some Questions.Just to see,if you REALLY know Spanish,or if you are a fake.;) Just testing.Other-wise,I'll take over,the fourm.Here is you're Quiz.If you don't answer,in 3 days,or get 3 wrong,then I'll take over,here is you're quiz.

My name is:______________________________________
Hello:______________________
Goodbye:_______________________
Thank you:____________________________
You're Welcome:___________________________
Dog:___________________________________
Cat:______________________________
Brother:__________________________
Sister:____________________________
Mother:____________________________________
Father:____________________________
Teacher:_________________________________
color:___________________________
:D :D :D Tracia,only.Oh yea,Tracia it's not that I don't belive you,I've just seen alot of posts,like this,and they do that,then,when I give them a Spanish-Test,they don't answer.I am sure YOU know the answer.

[Tracia]

No se por qué tendría que ser una farsa. Si hay alguien honesto en este lugar soy yo, pero bueno...

My name is:______________________________________
Hello:______________________
Goodbye:_______________________
Thank you:____________________________
You're Welcome:___________________________
Dog:___________________________________
Cat:______________________________
Brother:__________________________
Sister:____________________________
Mother:____________________________________
Father:____________________________
Teacher:_________________________________
color:___________________________

Eso si... no entendí qué es lo que querías que hiciera.
I didn't understand what you wanted me to do.

Do I... have to translate that???
That's easy...
My name is: mi nombre es
Hello:Hola
Goodbye:adios
Thank you:gracias
You're Welcome:de nada
Dog: perro
Cat: gato
Brother: hermano
Sister: hermana
Mother: madre
Father: padre
Teacher: profesor
color: color...

si no era traducir... pues... ni modo.
if it wasn't translating... well.. too bad

[*bAbY**]

No se por qué tendría que ser una farsa. Si hay alguien honesto en este lugar soy yo, pero bueno...

My name is:______________________________________
Hello:______________________
Goodbye:_______________________
Thank you:____________________________
You're Welcome:___________________________
Dog:___________________________________
Cat:______________________________
Brother:__________________________
Sister:____________________________
Mother:____________________________________
Father:____________________________
Teacher:_________________________________
color:___________________________

Eso si... no entendí qué es lo que querías que hiciera.
I didn't understand what you wanted me to do.

Do I... have to translate that???
That's easy...
My name is: mi nombre es
Hello:Hola
Goodbye:adios
Thank you:gracias
You're Welcome:de nada
Dog: perro
Cat: gato
Brother: hermano
Sister: hermana
Mother: madre
Father: padre
Teacher: profesor
color: color...

si no era traducir... pues... ni modo.
if it wasn't translating... well.. too bad

Uh...No!
tHE aNsWeRs:
Dog:El'Gato
Dog:E'L Prarro
Mother:Mii'Mama.
Teacher:Lae'Mastrasis.

:D

[*bAbY**]

Uh...No!
tHE aNsWeRs:
Dog:El'Gato
Dog:E'L Prarro
Mother:Mii'Mama.
Teacher:Lae'Mastrasis.

:D



Oh,yea,and Father,is Mi'Pappa.;)

[Tracia]

YOU have a very weird idea of spanish... -_-!

You didn't put any THE anywhere so there's no way i could've written Mi, el, la, etc...

[*bAbY**]

YOU have a very weird idea of spanish... -_-!

You didn't put any THE anywhere so there's no way i could've written Mi, el, la, etc...

No! Some things don't NEED the 'el,Mi',or La.Doi.:confused:

[Tracia]

for the way you put it, they do. And you're getting on my nerves, which is going to make me say a few words you will only find in coloquial spanish and that you learn only when you've lived in mexico for so fukin long like... all of your life!

A todo esto, ¿quien carajos eres tu para venir a criticar y decir quién sabe español y quien no? ¿Crees que porque un montón de pendejitas van y usan un traductor en línea todo el mundo es un farsante? Me molesta que hagan ese tipo de asumciones, especialmente cuando no se conoce a las personas directamente. ¿Quién te dijo a ti que podías venir y poner un examen idiota para el que tienes respuestas todavia más idiotas? Si lo que estoy tratando de enseñar a ti no te parece, pues vete mucho a la chingada y a joder a otra parte, porque de perdida yo sé hablar mi idioma correctamente y es el tipo de español que trato de enseñar, para que a la mera hora no terminen escribiendo el tipo de pendejadas que ves a cada rato en este sitio porque las damas no saben un buen inglés.
Asi que, en resumen, deja de estar chingando la madre y si no te parece mi manera de enseñar, es lo que menos me interesa.

Now test that...

by the way.. que chingados es un "mastrassis?"

[*bAbY**]

for the way you put it, they do. And you're getting on my nerves, which is going to make me say a few words you will only find in coloquial spanish and that you learn only when you've lived in mexico for so fukin long like... all of your life!

A todo esto, ¿quien carajos eres tu para venir a criticar y decir quién sabe español y quien no? ¿Crees que porque un montón de pendejitas van y usan un traductor en línea todo el mundo es un farsante? Me molesta que hagan ese tipo de asumciones, especialmente cuando no se conoce a las personas directamente. ¿Quién te dijo a ti que podías venir y poner un examen idiota para el que tienes respuestas todavia más idiotas? Si lo que estoy tratando de enseñar a ti no te parece, pues vete mucho a la chingada y a joder a otra parte, porque de perdida yo sé hablar mi idioma correctamente y es el tipo de español que trato de enseñar, para que a la mera hora no terminen escribiendo el tipo de pendejadas que ves a cada rato en este sitio porque las damas no saben un buen inglés.
Asi que, en resumen, deja de estar chingando la madre y si no te parece mi manera de enseñar, es lo que menos me interesa.

Now test that...

by the way.. que chingados es un "mastrassis?"
Wadda you meen 'TEST THAT'?Write,it in English????

[Tracia]

No need to. I proved my point. Who are you to "test" people to say if they're fakes or not? Besides, if you're gonna, at least do it properly and with something you actually know *baka* http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/Tracia_Kurosawa/j-emos/okashii.gif

You couldn't even read that, which means you're an ignorant at the subject, so I recommend you save your comments and stupid test for others.

[Durwen]

Tracia,

I've been reading your lessons, and I watched as Baby intruded and gave you that lame test, obviously you know what you're doing... go you for proving her wrong! Also that test was obviously done by someone who isn't that great at spanish since I know nothing in the subject and I knew some of those answers... but if Baby is really good at spanish like she seems to claim(which I'm betting she is not and that she is using some retarded automatic translator) she should easily be able to translate what you just wrote!

Anyways I'm done saying my bit,
love your lessons, they're good!

Durwen

[Tracia]

yeah, well.. thanx.
I even forgot to post the next lesson yesterday... http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/Tracia_Kurosawa/j-emos/poh.gif Well, if i don't do it today i'll do it tomorrow, i still have to prepare it.

It's nice to hear you like them, i hope they're usefull for you too. I wish i could help you more with the pronounciation, but that's quite hard to do.

Anyway, if there's anything specific you'd like to know, you can always ask, and don't pay attention to this girl, she's messing around... you didn't see her "japanise" thread? http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/Tracia_Kurosawa/j-emos/grin.gif

[Durwen]

No I didn't! Japanese thread eh? *pondering on finding and torching it*

*still guessing crappy automatic translator*

But your lessons are wonderful

[KitsuneNoKoi]

It was kind of funny to watchxD

[Thinkbluethoughts]

what would el manana mean? :confused:

[Tracia]

El mañana - the tomorrow

[Tracia]

Ok. I... don't remember where was I and I lost the line so, I'll just give you a few already made phrases that can come up handy.


GREETINGS

Buenos dias - Said in the morning.
Buenas tardes - Said between 12 pm and somewhere around 7 pm
Buenas noches - said as soon as the sky goes dark and for going to bed.

Hola - a simple "hi" or "hello"

¿Cómo estás? - how are you?
¿Cómo has estado? - How have you been?
¿Como te va? - How's it going? or something like that.
¿Cómo te ha ido? - Same as above

Nos vemos - see you later
Gusto en saludarte - it was nice to see you

MEETING PEOPLE
Gusto en conocerte - Nice to meet you
Un placer conocerte - Pleased to meet you

El placer es todo mío - The pleasure is mine


EXAMPLES

A: Hola. Soy Anna.
B: Hola, Anna. Gusto en conocerte. Yo soy Daniel.

A: Hi. I'm Anna
B: Hi Anna. Nice to meet you. I'm Daniel.

[dart22333]

my friend said it is similar to french but now i dont know how it is similar

[Tracia]

uh.. there are... slight similarities, but french is so much more complicated.

[dart22333]

you tink so je trouve que l'espagnole est dur a apprendre lui aussi :) :)

[Tracia]

hehehehehe... as I said, the similarities are slight.

[Tracia]

PREGUNTAS / QUESTIONS

1. ¿Cómo te llamas? - What's your name
2. ¿Cuántos años tienes? - How old are you?
3. ¿Qué edad tienes? - What's your age?
4. ¿Dónde vives? - Where do you live?
5. ¿Cuándo cumples años? - When's your birthday?

ANSWERS

1.
Me llamo....
Mi nombre es....
(your name plain)

2 y 3
Tengo 00 años
(number of years plain)

4.
Vivo en la calle "Maple 185" (in countries like Mexico, the number goes after the Street)

5.
El 02 de julio de 1985
julio 02

[Tracia]

MONTHS / MESES

Enero - january
Febrero - february
Marzo - march
abril - april
mayo - may
junio - june
julio - july
agosto - august
septiembre - september
octubre - october
noviembre - november
diciembre - december


WEEKDAYS

domingo - sunday
lunes - monday
martes - tuesday
miercoles - wednesday
jueves - thursday
viernes - friday
sábado - saturday

1 uno
2 dos
3 tres
4 cuatro
5 cinco
6 seis
7 siete
8 ocho
9 nueve
10 diez
11 once
12 doce
13 trece
14 catorce
15 quince
16 dieciséis
17 diecisiete
18 dieciocho
19 diecinueve
20 veinte
21 veintiuno
22 veintidós
23 veintitrés
24 veinticuatro
25 veinticinco
26 veintiséis
27 veintisiete
28 veintiocho
29 venitinueve
30 treinta
31 treinta y uno
32 treinta y dos
40 cuarenta
50 cincuenta
60 sesenta
70 setenta
80 ochenta
90 noventa
100 cien

[KitsuneNoKoi]

So "Cómo" is like saying...."how?"

[Tracia]

Yes.

How - Cómo (with accent or otherwise you'll be saying "I eat")
When - Cuándo
WHy - por qué
where - dónde

When you ask "por qué", you write it separate, but when answering, you must write it together and without the stress, "porque", which is an equivalent of "because".

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Yes.

How - Cómo (with accent or otherwise you'll be saying "I eat")
When - Cuándo
WHy - por qué
where - dónde

When you ask "por qué", you write it separate, but when answering, you must write it together and without the stress, "porque", which is an equivalent of "because".

Aaah!Gracias!
Another thing.Could you explain the verbs "to be" a little more.I thought I understood,but I guess I didn't><

[Tracia]

Um.. okay. The topic is a little extense, anyway, and it requieres to pay attention and to practice. It would helped if you tell me what is your specific doubt, but I'll give you this in the meantime.

The usage of "ser" when we think it should be "estar".
When is this?
Previously, i indicated that "estar" is used for position, but there are, as always, exceptions to the rule.
In a phrase like the next one we'll see this:
"The party will be at Angie's house"

We might think the translation would be something like "la fiesta estará en casa de Angie", because we imagine that Angie's house is a position, a location. Nevertheless, we are wrong. When you are to say where something is going to happen, you use "ser", not "estar", which would leave us with this phrase: La fiesta será en casa de Angie.

*Will be is the equivalent of será

Let's see more examples.
"They gave me this adress. Can you tell me where it is?"
Me dieron esta dirección. ¿Puede decirme dónde es?

"It depends of where it is from. If it's from Colombia, they'll send..."
Depende de dónde sea. Si es de Colombia, le enviarán...

I think it is used "ser" when the question to answer is "where will it be, where was it from, how's it gonna be".
Será en mi casa.
será en la escuela.
será al aire libre
era de Texas

And "estar" when you want to answer "where is it now, where was it before, where is it going, how was it. how is it,"
Está bajo un arbol
Estuvo en Cancún
Estarán en el cine
Estuvo bien.
Está lloviendo.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

I've tried and tried to get this....but I'm sooooo confused!
Could you tell me how the normal sentence order of a sentence in Spanish should be put together?(I think that would help a bit more)

[Tracia]

Alright. Let's see...

The common sentence is built as follows:

Article/preposition + subject + verb+ object

There are simplier structures just as:
subject+verb+object
subject+verb

but usually, they're not very usefull. It's very common in elementary school and as introductory course for student's, and it helps understand. But you have to pay a lot of attention to structures of certain phrases.

Let's start simple, with descriptive sentences. Let's remember the adjective always goes before the object when it comes to description.

La casa es azul.

La - particle/preposition
casa - house. Subject/object
es- to be. Verb
azul - adjetive.

Q. Why is the adjetive in the end?
That is another basic structure.
particle/preposition + subject + verb + adjetive + object

It responds to the question "What color is the house?". You cannot say: La casa es azul casa. It's a meaningless sentence. Therefore, you eliminate the repetitive object and say only the adjective, cos you made clear you are talking about the house.

La casa es grande. (big)
LA casa es pequeña (small)
La casa es nueva (new)
La casa es vieja (old)

Nevertheless, this kind of sentence has little use in real life spanish. Let's see a short description. I'll put it as simple as can be.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/HRHJacqui/P3183902.jpg

Esta casa es pequeña y azul. El techo y las paredes son azules. También la cerca es azul. Tiene un toro pintado al frente y una palmera con el número 221 a un lado, pero es toda azul.

This house is small and blue. The roof and the walls are blue. The fence is also blue. IT has a bull painted on the front wall and a palm tree with the number 221 on the side, but it is all blue.

techo - roof
cerca - fence
tambien - also, too
toro - bull
pintado - painted
palma - palm tree
lado - side


Perhaps I should start with little excersices to explain and make it more clear...

[KitsuneNoKoi]

I think I got it,but little excersice would help,greatly.

[Tracia]

mm... i wonder if anyone cares about this by now.. XD

[ninja_panda]

Can you teach me a little? I got some basic stuff learned, but I need to learn more if I want to get a good grade in my spanish class.... :( Anyway, can you?

[Tracia]

sure, but what would yo like to know about??

[ninja_panda]

Hm.. I'm quite bad on describing things.

[Tracia]

i see... well, decriptions require a lot of vocabulary.
do you want me to give you some adjectives too?? to start making a list

[ninja_panda]

Yes please..

[Tracia]

Ok. Let's see.

first of all, I have to remind you the adjective goes after the object in spanish, and that
you do not need to repeat the object everytime. You could also use the posts above as
a reference, but a descriptive paragraph can be like this>

Mi perro es cafe. Tiene el pelo largo y lacio.Sus ojos son negros y
grandes y la nariz oscura.

@
Mi dog is brown. It has the hair long and straigh. It's eyes are blac and big and the
nose dark.


Now, we take the adjectives>
cafe - brown
largo - long
lacio - straight
black - negro
grandes - big
oscura - dark

Descriptive adjectives are quite wide, and we can start with the simple ones>
BASIC COLORS>
Negro - black
Blanco - white
Azul - blue
Verde _ green
Rojo - red
Amarillo - yellow
Gris - grey
Naranja - orange
Cafe - brown

SIZES>
chico/pequeno - small
grande - big
mediano - medium
amplio - wide
angosto - stretch

TEXTURES>
suave - soft
rugoso - harsh
duro - hard

there are many more, but we can make a pause here.

[ninja_panda]

Alright, thank you ^^

How do you really know all this?

[Tracia]

i was looking at the thread, there are some topics you could find interesting. Have you seen them? if you havent', I recommend you do and then ask me for any questions, you like that?

[ninja_panda]

Lol, sure ^^

[Tracia]

Oh, and the answer to your question. I know because I'm mexican and i have lived here all of my life. English is my second language. ;)

Also, if you dont find me and have questions, write them down even if I'm offline, i'll check it out.