Abortion is cruel

[Pink Angel]

It isn't, I swear, that's like murder....it is murder, like killing the life of someone who didn't even have a chance to live yet, therefore abortion is not cool, just because someone ruined there life, doesn't mean they should go and kill someone who didn't stand a chance, that's just cruel and only thinking of yourself. AND, I found this on quizilla....

Month 1
Mommy, I am only 8 inches long, but I have all my organs. I love the sound of your voice. Every time I hear it, I wave my arms and legs. The sound of your heart beat is my favorite lullaby.
Month 2
Mommy, today I learned how to suck my thumb. If you could see me, you could definitely tell that I am a baby. I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though. It is so nice and warm in here.
Month 3
You know what Mommy, I'm a girl!! I hope that makes you happy. I always want you to be happy. I don't like it when you cry. You sound so sad. It makes me sad too, and I cry with you even though you can't hear me.
Month 4
Mommy, my hair is starting to grow. It is very short and fine, but I will have a lot of it. I spend a lot of my time exercising. I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes, and stretch my arms and legs. I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month 5
You went to the doctor today. Mommy, he lied to you. He said that I'm not a baby. I am a baby Mommy, your baby. I think and feel. Mommy, what's abortion?
Month 6
I can hear that doctor again. I don't like him. He seems cold and heartless. Something is intruding my home. The doctor called it a needle. Mommy what is it? It burns! Please make him stop! I can't get away from it! Mommy!! HELP me!!
Month 7
Mommy, I am okay. I am in Jesus's arms. he is holding me. He told me about abortion. Why didn't you want me, Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped. Two more eyes that will never see. Two more hands that will never touch. Two more legs that will never run. One more mouth that will never speak.

and because of this, I feel that abortion is just legal murder...

[MZprincess1993]

omfg i read that on myspace once! abortion is wrong! why not just have the baby and put it up for adoption? plus it was there fault getting pregnet if they didn't want a kid.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

>.<
I don't agree with abortion in most cases,but in SOME cases I do.What also makes me mad is when the Catholic church(who is notorious for doing this)counts a miscarrage as abortion.But think about it,if the baby wouldn't last long outside of the womb,would you really want it to live?If the baby is going to go through an intense amount of pain,would you really want it to live in agony?In cases like most incest,the baby SOMETIMES needs to go.Sometimes a girl is raped and is physically unable to have the baby without killing herself and possibly the baby.Do you still agree that it's murder?Doesn't the girl who was raped deserve to live?Or are you going to call it heartless because its her own fault?

[Pink Angel]

>.<
I don't agree with abortion in most cases,but in SOME cases I do.What also makes me mad is when the Catholic church(who is notorious for doing this)counts a miscarrage as abortion.But think about it,if the baby wouldn't last long outside of the womb,would you really want it to live?If the baby is going to go through an intense amount of pain,would you really want it to live in agony?In cases like most incest,the baby SOMETIMES needs to go.Sometimes a girl is raped and is physically unable to have the baby without killing herself and possibly the baby.Do you still agree that it's murder?Doesn't the girl who was raped deserve to live?Or are you going to call it heartless because its her own fault?

not like that! I mean if you actually have a choice, if you could just have the baby and everything'll be fine

[KitsuneNoKoi]

not like that! I mean if you actually have a choice, if you could just have the baby and everything'll be fine

Oh!I thought you meant in ALL cases it was murder.But like I kind of stated,some girls just can't have babies.And yes,they messed up,but they didn't know they weren't physically ready.

[princess2708]

I read something similar to that before and it almost made me cry. It really hits you hard when you realize that you really are killing that child when you have an abortion, and believe me I've know people who have gone through this and it still haunts them to this day.

[Guendolen_Sama]

I'm sorry, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I am pro-choice. Why? Because this is one of the most personal and intimate decisions a woman can make. (And yes, I'm a woman making this statement.) Yes, perhaps she did make a mistake. But there may be extenuating circumstances involved. What if it's a case of her life or the baby's? Who would ask someone to willingly die to carry a child? Or if that child has a horrible defect in which they will have no viable "life" in the world? That's not doing anyone any favors. Or what if she was raped? Would you ask her to carry and care for the reminder of such a horrible and traumatic event in the name of nebulous morality? I don't think this is a decision that should be made lightly, not by any stretch of the imagination. I do think you made your bed, now you must lie in it and deal with the mistakes you made in a responsible fashion. Birth control is readily available, after all. But that's me. I am not inside this other woman's head, and I have no right to tell her what to do with her body and her life. Not to mention that you know what'll happen if it gets outlawed? The practice will be driven underground, like it was before it became legal. There will be hidden clinics no longer bound by government regulations, women seeking "home remedies" born of rumor and old wives' tales and what not, and there will be much more harm done and many more unnecessary deaths because of the increased danger from such practices. You think it's wrong to do it, fine. Then don't do it. That's your decision, and I respect that. But to flip the coin over, we must respect the decisions of others in turn. We are not in their shoes.

[Krimskii]

I believe abortion is WRONG! Even if the girl is raped, it still is a human being inside of her! Just give the baby up for adoptation. Me and my friend have this arguement all the time. She is pro abortion and I am against it. I fell that its just wrong to kill someone, even if its not really a person yet. And for the people that are pro remember this: You are considered a human being when you first get blood veins and you pump blood; this happens 6 weeks into the pregnetency (sp?)

[nyle91]

I'm pro-choice, so, I realy cant argue if someone is dead set on getting an abortion, but I would try to persuade them to reconcider and put the baby up for adoption...

[Guendolen_Sama]

"Just give the baby up for adoption." It's not that simple. It means she still has to live with the constant daily reminder of one of the worst experiences a woman can have for almost a year. There are nuances involved and shades of gray. Some people's psyches are such that they pure and simply couldn't handle that. It's easy to take the moral high ground and say, "Oh, it's wrong! You're killing babies!" But as I said, there are exceptions to the rule. As I also said, I don't think making a personal mistake is viable grounds; in that case, I would agree that giving the child up for adoption if it's unwanted is the better choice. But in some instances, it is a viable choice. This is, after all, an extremely personal choice, after all.

[Pink Angel]

I'm sorry, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I am pro-choice. Why? Because this is one of the most personal and intimate decisions a woman can make. (And yes, I'm a woman making this statement.) Yes, perhaps she did make a mistake. But there may be extenuating circumstances involved. What if it's a case of her life or the baby's? Who would ask someone to willingly die to carry a child? Or if that child has a horrible defect in which they will have no viable "life" in the world? That's not doing anyone any favors. Or what if she was raped? Would you ask her to carry and care for the reminder of such a horrible and traumatic event in the name of nebulous morality? I don't think this is a decision that should be made lightly, not by any stretch of the imagination. I do think you made your bed, now you must lie in it and deal with the mistakes you made in a responsible fashion. Birth control is readily available, after all. But that's me. I am not inside this other woman's head, and I have no right to tell her what to do with her body and her life. Not to mention that you know what'll happen if it gets outlawed? The practice will be driven underground, like it was before it became legal. There will be hidden clinics no longer bound by government regulations, women seeking "home remedies" born of rumor and old wives' tales and what not, and there will be much more harm done and many more unnecessary deaths because of the increased danger from such practices. You think it's wrong to do it, fine. Then don't do it. That's your decision, and I respect that. But to flip the coin over, we must respect the decisions of others in turn. We are not in their shoes.

how old are you?

[Guendolen_Sama]

I'm 25. Why do you ask?

[Pink Angel]

I'm 25. Why do you ask?

have you had a child yet?

[nyle91]

I'm 25. Why do you ask?

you are the oldest person I've seen on doll wizard so far...sorry, off topic

[Krimskii]

have you had a child yet?

Though Im against Aboration, dont you think thats a bit too personal? If she wants to answer it then she can but, dont you think its a bit rude too?

[Ryoken]

A song for the cruelty of abortion....and the burning passion of dark souls
http://profile.imeem.com/fEafF/music/S2uiKZ8P/writhe_in_pain/

[Pink Angel]

Though Im against Aboration, dont you think thats a bit too personal? If she wants to answer it then she can but, dont you think its a bit rude too?

I know it was personal.

I'm sowwy, Guendolen_Sama, do you forgive me?

[Guendolen_Sama]

No, I haven't, and I don't plan to any time soon. I concur that this is a very personal question, but I answer because I want to see where you're heading with this. I'm not offended, so don't worry about that. Yes, I know I'm much older than pretty much everyone else here. I don't do much other than make dolls, but a discussion of this nature caught my attention.

have you had a child yet?

[Pink Angel]

No, I haven't, and I don't plan to any time soon. I concur that this is a very personal question, but I answer because I want to see where you're heading with this. I'm not offended, so don't worry about that. Yes, I know I'm much older than pretty much everyone else here. I don't do much other than make dolls, but a discussion of this nature caught my attention.

How do you know so much about abortion then, and basically you said what kit said, and I have the same response

I think it's only cruel if the baby can be born perfectly, and yet you deny it's birth, and destroy it....

[Ryoken]

No, I haven't, and I don't plan to any time soon. I concur that this is a very personal question, but I answer because I want to see where you're heading with this. I'm not offended, so don't worry about that. Yes, I know I'm much older than pretty much everyone else here. I don't do much other than make dolls, but a discussion of this nature caught my attention.
Well don't be shy with jumping into conversations dear Guendolen...Nobody wants you to feel lonely on here y'know??

[Krimskii]

Yay, what Ryoko said! It doesnt matter that someof us are younger then you!...that sounded odd but oh well! ^^""

[Ryoken]

Hehe lol.....
Playlist of songs for those of you who are bored and want to listen to music
http://profile.imeem.com/qOikZB/playlist/B-syZton/

[Krimskii]

Naw, Im listing to my Radio Blog! Go Radio.Blog.Club.com!!!...lol

[Guendolen_Sama]

I know because I pay attention to the world around me. I take an active interest in politics, and this is and has been a major political issue, especially in the last presidential election. In order to make informed decisions, I must have knowledge. Thus, I seek it out. I am basing my beliefs around logic here, not a vague notion of morality, which is by its very nature subjective.

How do you know so much about abortion then, and basically you said what kit said, and I have the same response

I think it's only cruel if the baby can be born perfectly, and yet you deny it's birth, and destroy it....

[Ryoken]

I know because I pay attention to the world around me. I take an active interest in politics, and this is and has been a major political issue, especially in the last presidential election. In order to make informed decisions, I must have knowledge. Thus, I seek it out. I am basing my beliefs around logic here, not a vague notion of morality, which is by its very nature subjective.
Wise words.....*nods*

[Krimskii]

Presidental? Does that mean you live in the States?

[Guendolen_Sama]

Yes, I do. Have my whole life.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

I believe abortion is WRONG! Even if the girl is raped, it still is a human being inside of her! Just give the baby up for adoptation. Me and my friend have this arguement all the time. She is pro abortion and I am against it. I fell that its just wrong to kill someone, even if its not really a person yet. And for the people that are pro remember this: You are considered a human being when you first get blood veins and you pump blood; this happens 6 weeks into the pregnetency (sp?)

How can you say that?What if you were raped and couldn't make a baby properly?Would you really want to actually keep it and possibly end up dying because your body couldn't handle it?I'm not saying that abortion is right,but I'm not saying it's wrong either.If a girl has sex and can completely carry a baby and deliver it,then yes,she should just put it up for adoption.
And I can say this with no problem either.I';ve been told that if it was a choice,my granmother would've had my mother have an abortion when she had me since I wasn't really wanted.So don't even waste your time typing out "well what if your mother had an abortion?"You know what,I wouldn't be here,simple as that-.-

[Ryoken]

How can you say that?What if you were raped and couldn't make a baby properly?Would you really want to actually keep it and possibly end up dying because your body couldn't handle it?I'm not saying that abortion is right,but I'm not saying it's wrong either.If a girl has sex and can completely carry a baby and deliver it,then yes,she should just put it up for adoption.
And I can say this with no problem either.I';ve been told that if it was a choice,my granmother would've had my mother have an abortion when she had me since I wasn't really wanted.So don't even waste your time typing out "well what if your mother had an abortion?"You know what,I wouldn't be here,simple as that-.-
Wow.......Poor Kit*hugs*

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Wow.......Poor Kit*hugs*

*raises eyebrow*What the heck?*hugs back*

[Krimskii]

How can you say that?What if you were raped and couldn't make a baby properly?Would you really want to actually keep it and possibly end up dying because your body couldn't handle it?I'm not saying that abortion is right,but I'm not saying it's wrong either.If a girl has sex and can completely carry a baby and deliver it,then yes,she should just put it up for adoption.
And I can say this with no problem either.I';ve been told that if it was a choice,my granmother would've had my mother have an abortion when she had me since I wasn't really wanted.So don't even waste your time typing out "well what if your mother had an abortion?"You know what,I wouldn't be here,simple as that-.-

...I cant a make a baby. I have diaese (sp?) that stops me from doing so. Thats why I say it wrong. Because I'll never get the chance to have one

[KitsuneNoKoi]

...I cant a make a baby. I have diaese (sp?) that stops me from doing so. Thats why I say it wrong. Because I'll never get the chance to have one

(Disease)
Okay then...so you just say it's wrong?

[Ryoken]

*watches word exchange*........Heated conversation

[hissing]

I agree. It is. and its absolutly not right.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

I agree. It is. and its absolutly not right.

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE SO BLIND?!*has issues with this topic*

[Krimskii]

(Disease)
Okay then...so you just say it's wrong?

((Thank you))

Yes I do. I mean that you if you can have a child, your going to hopefully have one anyways. People like me want to have children but never can and you know what? People who put their babies up for adoption actually help us in having our dream. If suddenly every desided that aboration was okay and every got rid of them, it would be very sad and stop that child from having a life.

[hissing]

well kitty everyone has there own opion and they have a right ot have. so dont diss mine XD

[Krimskii]

Good point hissing. Good point. As for KitsuneNoKoi, Im not dissing your opinion on the issue. You have some good points, as do we (the people against abortion). So believe in what you believe in. G2G, ugh school.

[Guendolen_Sama]

You talk as though every single baby concieved in this world is in danger of being aborted. I feel for you in your inability to concieve, truly I do. I think it's very sad that a person who keenly wants children can't have them when people who don't deserve to have them do. But think with your head, not your heart! Just because you want to be able to have children and can't doesn't mean that you have the right to take away someone else's decision about whether or not to have a child. Perhaps there are some circumstances where carrying it and giving it up doesn't seem to be an option for them. That's an ideal situation, yes, but things don't always work out that neatly. I'm trying to debate this logically here, but people always pull the emotion cards instead. We can't use emotions when dealing with a socio-political issue such as this. As I said, we have to use our heads.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Okay time to sound really cruel...
The world is over populated,so losing a few kids here and there(esspecially if they're suffereing)isn't the end of the world.You wanna say I'm being a heartless b!tch,you'd be correct.But,they're are millions of kids in orphanages.I'm not saying that I don't find death sad,I guess it just doesn't affect me the way it does to most people.I,personally,wouldn't like it if someone could have a baby and have it with absolutely no problems of any kind and instead kill it,but I also wouldn't like it if the baby had SEVERE health problems and the parent had it.I understand(Though I don't understand what it's like for you)to not be able to have a baby,but that's actually the problem.People are having way too many kids.They for some reason they won't give them up.(Probaly for the goverment's money)I know I'm kind of getting off topic here,but if you think about it,one innocent life wasted isn't a big deal.Are you honestly going to tell me that if you saw the news on tv and heard some guy died that you didn't know,you're going to cry your eyes out?If you can honeslty say this,for every single person,then I suppose kudos to you...or you're depressed,but another point is,if I killed one person who no one knew or anything,nobody would be sad.

[hissing]

You talk as though every single baby concieved in this world is in danger of being aborted. I feel for you in your inability to concieve, truly I do. I think it's very sad that a person who keenly wants children can't have them when people who don't deserve to have them do. But think with your head, not your heart! Just because you want to be able to have children and can't doesn't mean that you have the right to take away someone else's decision about whether or not to have a child. Perhaps there are some circumstances where carrying it and giving it up doesn't seem to be an option for them. That's an ideal situation, yes, but things don't always work out that neatly. I'm trying to debate this logically here, but people always pull the emotion cards instead. We can't use emotions when dealing with a socio-political issue such as this. As I said, we have to use our heads.

Im not really on a side to wether abortion is wrong or not. There are some situations where is not right and theres ones where there are. So.... XD

[KitsuneNoKoi]

well kitty everyone has there own opion and they have a right ot have. so dont diss mine XD

Yeah yeah yeah.I know that.I'm just stating mine.lmao.

[hissing]

Okay time to sound really cruel...
The world is over populated,so losing a few kids here and there(esspecially if they're suffereing)isn't the end of the world.You wanna say I'm being a heartless b!tch,you'd be correct.But,they're are millions of kids in orphanages.I'm not saying that I don't find death sad,I guess it just doesn't affect me the way it does to most people.I,personally,wouldn't like it if someone could have a baby and have it with absolutely no problems of any kind and instead kill it,but I also wouldn't like it if the baby had SEVERE health problems and the parent had it.I understand(Though I don't understand what it's like for you)to not be able to have a baby,but that's actually the problem.People are having way too many kids.They for some reason they won't give them up.(Probaly for the goverment's money)I know I'm kind of getting off topic here,but if you think about it,one innocent life wasted isn't a big deal.Are you honestly going to tell me that if you saw the news on tv and heard some guy died that you didn't know,you're going to cry your eyes out?If you can honeslty say this,for every single person,then I suppose kudos to you...or you're depressed,but another point is,if I killed one person who no one knew or anything,nobody would be sad.

Its true the world is overpopulateded. Its disagree with the end of the world thing but at the same time i agree with it.I do get sad when i hear about deaths, and your not heartless to but out your own opionon and most poeple dont only keep the kids for money because by the time they are done buying food, school stuff ect. they dont have alot for thenmselves. And somebody would be sad if you went out and killed someone because what about the family he has? What about firends? A magoity of people wouldnt care but for somepeople it would hurt alot.

[Guendolen_Sama]

So you're taking the middle of the road route, as it were. As I said in my initial post, I do concur that it's not something to be done lightly, and one should look for alternate means of dealing with the problem they created responsibly. But I also believe that I don't have the right to tell other people what to do with their bodies. Which is why I'm pro-choice.

Im not really on a side to wether abortion is wrong or not. There are some situations where is not right and theres ones where there are. So.... XD

[hissing]

So you're taking the middle of the road route, as it were. As I said in my initial post, I do concur that it's not something to be done lightly, and one should look for alternate means of dealing with the problem they created responsibly. But I also believe that I don't have the right to tell other people what to do with their bodies. Which is why I'm pro-choice.

What do you mean by pro-choice?

[Guendolen_Sama]

In favor of allowing women to make the choice as to whether or not to have an abortion, rather than outlawing it, which is what people who call themselves "pro-life" want to do.

[hissing]

In favor of allowing women to make the choice as to whether or not to have an abortion, rather than outlawing it, which is what people who call themselves "pro-life" want to do.

Make sense, makes sense

[KitsuneNoKoi]

You're missing the point.I said if No One cared...not if he/she had family>.<

[hissing]

You're missing the point.I said if No One cared...not if he/she had family>.<

Yeah but there always someone who will care kitty.

[Neon]

omfg i read that on myspace once! abortion is wrong! why not just have the baby and put it up for adoption? plus it was there fault getting pregnet if they didn't want a kid.

What if they were raped? >.>

[Neon]

I'm sorry, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I am pro-choice. Why? Because this is one of the most personal and intimate decisions a woman can make. (And yes, I'm a woman making this statement.) Yes, perhaps she did make a mistake. But there may be extenuating circumstances involved. What if it's a case of her life or the baby's? Who would ask someone to willingly die to carry a child? Or if that child has a horrible defect in which they will have no viable "life" in the world? That's not doing anyone any favors. Or what if she was raped? Would you ask her to carry and care for the reminder of such a horrible and traumatic event in the name of nebulous morality? I don't think this is a decision that should be made lightly, not by any stretch of the imagination. I do think you made your bed, now you must lie in it and deal with the mistakes you made in a responsible fashion. Birth control is readily available, after all. But that's me. I am not inside this other woman's head, and I have no right to tell her what to do with her body and her life. Not to mention that you know what'll happen if it gets outlawed? The practice will be driven underground, like it was before it became legal. There will be hidden clinics no longer bound by government regulations, women seeking "home remedies" born of rumor and old wives' tales and what not, and there will be much more harm done and many more unnecessary deaths because of the increased danger from such practices. You think it's wrong to do it, fine. Then don't do it. That's your decision, and I respect that. But to flip the coin over, we must respect the decisions of others in turn. We are not in their shoes.

I like your point. Well said.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Yeah but there always someone who will care kitty.

You were totally missing the point!I meant it as in....if some random guy died that you never knew what so ever,you wouldn't give a damn.

[Pink Angel]

You know what, I changed my mind, abortion is cruel in ALL cases, no matter what happens

[RoseHipZero]

This is a big issue here, but i have to agree with kit.
Kits neems ((i think)) if you take an abortion, nodbody can miss the unborn child because, they didn't knew it, didn't knew how it looked liked, didn't know the name, the personality, nothing.
Ofcourse, abortion is hard and you need to think it trough several times before you do it, but in some cases it is better.
And you all are about, ahw the poor child, what about the moms?
You can say aah it is her own fault and all, but.. they don't always do an abortuin because they like it so much, they got also an hard time with it, it still infects there lives too.
Everytime they see a baby, don't you think they think '' i could have one just like that'' or ''how would my baby look like'' they know it was there right desicion, still it hurts them.
And what about the baby being born by a teenage mom who's on drugs and poor and all, don't you think it would be better for the baby then don't being born, or if its born with AIDS or just only because the mother is to young, it wouldn't get the proper raising and therefor never know how to be social and thinking that stealing rapeing and hitting is normal..
we all can talk about it and say its bad, because we don;t live in such situations, but don't come with the, its so bad.. cuz thats just taking lightly

[fighterkid]

I think abortion is so wrong. Sometimes women make that choice without telling that telling to the guy
If a women want to take an abortion, i think is have to go with permission from the Guy( the one with she have made the baby) If the guy want the baby, then that women should not take an abortion. And if both don't want the baby, then they don't have to do an abortion. There are a lot of couples that cannot make children and just give the baby to a couple like that. they would be very happy!!
ABORTION IS WRONG!!

[KitsuneNoKoi]

This is a big issue here, but i have to agree with kit.
Kits neems ((i think)) if you take an abortion, nodbody can miss the unborn child because, they didn't knew it, didn't knew how it looked liked, didn't know the name, the personality, nothing.
Ofcourse, abortion is hard and you need to think it trough several times before you do it, but in some cases it is better.
And you all are about, ahw the poor child, what about the moms?
You can say aah it is her own fault and all, but.. they don't always do an abortuin because they like it so much, they got also an hard time with it, it still infects there lives too.
Everytime they see a baby, don't you think they think '' i could have one just like that'' or ''how would my baby look like'' they know it was there right desicion, still it hurts them.
And what about the baby being born by a teenage mom who's on drugs and poor and all, don't you think it would be better for the baby then don't being born, or if its born with AIDS or just only because the mother is to young, it wouldn't get the proper raising and therefor never know how to be social and thinking that stealing rapeing and hitting is normal..
we all can talk about it and say its bad, because we don;t live in such situations, but don't come with the, its so bad.. cuz thats just taking lightly

That's kind of what I was syaing.For the most part,you got it.I meant it in a..."it would be sad,but it's not like you know the baby so what do you care?" kind of way:1
And Pink Angel,what made you change your mind?

[fighterkid]

That's kind of what I was syaing.For the most part,you got it.I meant it in a..."it would be sad,but it's not like you know the baby so what do you care?" kind of way:1
And Pink Angel,what made you change your mind?

but it's still your flesh and blood, your baby.

[KitsuneNoKoi]

but it's still your flesh and blood, your baby.

*slaps forehead*No no no.I meant for the people against it.They don't know the baby and yet they'll try to say how cruel it is.I'm not FOR abortion,and honestly,I don't LIKE the idea of an innocent life being taken out of this world,but in cases such as rape,where the kid's unable to have a child without killing herself or where the baby has some type of disease that it's going to be in agony for all of its life,etc.then I think it would be for the best.In your first post on here,I totalyl agree with you.In that case,it's not just the woman's baby and if someone sleeps around,then I don't think you should kill an innocent life,but in other cases,I think it really should be an option.

[fighterkid]

*slaps forehead*No no no.I meant for the people against it.They don't know the baby and yet they'll try to say how cruel it is.I'm not FOR abortion,and honestly,I don't LIKE the idea of an innocent life being taken out of this world,but in cases such as rape,where the kid's unable to have a child without killing herself or where the baby has some type of disease that it's going to be in agony for all of its life,etc.then I think it would be for the best.In your first post on here,I totalyl agree with you.In that case,it's not just the woman's baby and if someone sleeps around,then I don't think you should kill an innocent life,but in other cases,I think it really should be an option.

Well i'm against it.... In the cases that you mentioned( rape, diseases) then i would totally understand it.

But actually my point is, if a women and a guy are having sex unprotected, and then the women will be pregnant, then i think ABORTION IS NO OPTION!! that would be so cruel!! The baby would suffer because they had unprotected sex .

But the thought that a baby is being aborted or actually murdered cause that what it is makes me so sad. His/ Her life is trowned away. :(

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Well yeah,in cases like that...it's totally wrong!But in other cases,I think it should be understood not just an instant "it's wrong."I totally agree with you there soooo...yeaho.O'''

[Akai_Tenshi]

Well i'm against it.... In the cases that you mentioned( rape, diseases) then i would totally understand it.

But actually my point is, if a women and a guy are having sex unprotected, and then the women will be pregnant, then i think ABORTION IS NO OPTION!! that would be so cruel!! The baby would suffer because they had unprotected sex .

But the thought that a baby is being aborted or actually murdered cause that what it is makes me so sick. His/ Her life is trowned away. :(

I agree. In a way, abortion is very selfish.

[fighterkid]

I agree. In a way, abortion is very selfish.

Yes. Selfish that's really the word for it;)

[RoseHipZero]

Yes. Selfish that's really the word for it;)

you soo wanna make me shoot you right now >.<

[KitsuneNoKoi]

you soo wanna make me shoot you right now >.<

lol.Hana-hime.I think he means in cases where unprotected sex was used:)

[Akai_Tenshi]

This is a big issue here, but i have to agree with kit.
Kits neems ((i think)) if you take an abortion, nodbody can miss the unborn child because, they didn't knew it, didn't knew how it looked liked, didn't know the name, the personality, nothing.
Ofcourse, abortion is hard and you need to think it trough several times before you do it, but in some cases it is better.
And you all are about, ahw the poor child, what about the moms?
You can say aah it is her own fault and all, but.. they don't always do an abortuin because they like it so much, they got also an hard time with it, it still infects there lives too.
Everytime they see a baby, don't you think they think '' i could have one just like that'' or ''how would my baby look like'' they know it was there right desicion, still it hurts them.
And what about the baby being born by a teenage mom who's on drugs and poor and all, don't you think it would be better for the baby then don't being born, or if its born with AIDS or just only because the mother is to young, it wouldn't get the proper raising and therefor never know how to be social and thinking that stealing rapeing and hitting is normal..
we all can talk about it and say its bad, because we don;t live in such situations, but don't come with the, its so bad.. cuz thats just taking lightly

I agree with you too. I was just thinking the same. Abortion might be better sometimes, depending on the situation.

[fighterkid]

you soo wanna make me shoot you right now >.<

No, i don't. It is just my opinion.

[broken inside]

i think it's wrong no matter what the situation.

[dart22333]

if it dint appent to you to have to make choice like that you should judge the people tha make them

[broken inside]

yeah but it's there own falt that it happened.

[dart22333]

not always i no sombody that was beat up raped by her uncle
and ending up with his child i was normal she dint want to have it
and it was not event a fetus yet

[broken inside]

ok thats not there falt but having an abortion is still not right.

[MZprincess1993]

hermm if they want to have an abortion then its there choice. Me, i'm still agenst it. I just say have the baby give it up 4 adoption but w/e the parents can do whatever they want.

i found a few links about abortion arguments if you want these links PM me and I'll give them to u. ^^

[dart22333]

im not for abortion but i tink wen sombody in extrem situation she has the right to do it

[broken inside]

yeah maybe but she could just have it then give it up for adoption

[Akai_Tenshi]

im not for abortion but i tink wen sombody in extrem situation she has the right to do it

Yeah. You wouldnt be a good mom if you didnt want the baby or if you were 13 year old.

[dart22333]

i tink that if i have sex with sombody i an end up having a baby il love him an il do my best for him but could i love the child of sombody that raped me that night coming up in your mind each time you look at him

[broken inside]

give it up for adoption it's better then killing it.

[Akai_Tenshi]

I dont think its that easy :P

[dart22333]

noting is that easy

[broken inside]

yeah i don't think it is either but i still think it's better then killing it. if you were raped and had an abortion thats not that bad but if you were just out have sex and got pregnant. thats your falt and you should kill it.

[dart22333]

yae that i belive to then its your responsability

[broken inside]

yeah well i think they should even have abortion it's cruel

[RoseHipZero]

i don't think we can say its right or wrong, because we all ((i hope)) are not pregant in an uneasy situation
We can say, it isn't right for me or i feel bad by it, but if you say its wrong murder and all, its hard for the people who have done it, and felt they needed to do that, justkeep it by yourself, i think thats the best way, so nobody egts hurt but yourself

[dark_angel_56]

It isn't, I swear, that's like murder....it is murder, like killing the life of someone who didn't even have a chance to live yet, therefore abortion is not cool, just because someone ruined there life, doesn't mean they should go and kill someone who didn't stand a chance, that's just cruel and only thinking of yourself. AND, I found this on quizilla....

Month 1
Mommy, I am only 8 inches long, but I have all my organs. I love the sound of your voice. Every time I hear it, I wave my arms and legs. The sound of your heart beat is my favorite lullaby.
Month 2
Mommy, today I learned how to suck my thumb. If you could see me, you could definitely tell that I am a baby. I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though. It is so nice and warm in here.
Month 3
You know what Mommy, I'm a girl!! I hope that makes you happy. I always want you to be happy. I don't like it when you cry. You sound so sad. It makes me sad too, and I cry with you even though you can't hear me.
Month 4
Mommy, my hair is starting to grow. It is very short and fine, but I will have a lot of it. I spend a lot of my time exercising. I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes, and stretch my arms and legs. I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month 5
You went to the doctor today. Mommy, he lied to you. He said that I'm not a baby. I am a baby Mommy, your baby. I think and feel. Mommy, what's abortion?
Month 6
I can hear that doctor again. I don't like him. He seems cold and heartless. Something is intruding my home. The doctor called it a needle. Mommy what is it? It burns! Please make him stop! I can't get away from it! Mommy!! HELP me!!
Month 7
Mommy, I am okay. I am in Jesus's arms. he is holding me. He told me about abortion. Why didn't you want me, Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped. Two more eyes that will never see. Two more hands that will never touch. Two more legs that will never run. One more mouth that will never speak.

and because of this, I feel that abortion is just legal murder...

abortion is murder for any reason, except if the mothers life is in danger......

[broken inside]

.............

[fighterkid]

abortion is murder for any reason, except if the mothers life is in danger......

Not for any reason i think. But it basicly murder yeah, cause you end the life of an innocent baby.

[dark_angel_56]

Not for any reason i think. But it basicly murder yeah, cause you end the life of an innocent baby.

exactly, but don't u think that abortion is ok only if the mother and the baby might die, but theres like a 60 per cent chance that she will live if u kill (i no harsh word) the baby

[broken inside]

if it's something like that maybe it's ok but it still seems wrong.

[fighterkid]

exactly, but don't u think that abortion is ok only if the mother and the baby might die, but theres like a 60 per cent chance that she will live if u kill (i no harsh word) the baby

that's pretty risky then. so there is 40% that the mother will die!!
That's one more reason to not have an abortion.
I still think that it's not OK.

[RoseHipZero]

that's pretty risky then. so there is 40% that the mother will die!!
That's one more reason to not have an abortion.
I still think that it's not OK.

you got it wrong, she means if the mother keep the baby, she will die, if she does an abprtion she got 60 % to live

[broken inside]

i know that it's the right thing but it seems wrong to kill but if it's to save some one else life i guess it's right.

[fighterkid]

you got it wrong, she means if the mother keep the baby, she will die, if she does an abprtion she got 60 % to live

oh... OK ;) uhmm.... then i think it's OK is she will have an abortion.

[RoseHipZero]

oh... OK ;) uhmm.... then i think it's OK is she will have an abortion.

yeah me too, sorry i got mad. i'll explain in a min on msn when i got bio all finished >.<

[fighterkid]

yeah me too, sorry i got mad. i'll explain in a min on msn when i got bio all finished >.<

It's fine ;) :) Uhmm... I have to go to work in a couple of minutes so... maybe you can tell me a little bit later ;)

[Pink Angel]

ALL ABORTION IS CRUEL, NO MATTER THE REASON

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Yes,and how did you come up with this answer?(I'm just curious since you were agreeing with me a little earlier...)

[broken inside]

i think it's horrible but it's just depends

[Pink Angel]

Yes,and how did you come up with this answer?(I'm just curious since you were agreeing with me a little earlier...)

Well, I was talking to my grandmother, and she was saying that it's wrong no matter what, she gave really resonable examples....and so with that said I totally agree with her...

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Well, I was talking to my grandmother, and she was saying that it's wrong no matter what, she gave really resonable examples....and so with that said I totally agree with her...

You should be able to form a respected opinion of your own,not just agree with someone.Did you bring up cases like rape?Where the girl would die if she had the baby?'Cause I don't think it's right for her to die,btu that's just me.

[Pink Angel]

You should be able to form a respected opinion of your own,not just agree with someone.Did you bring up cases like rape?Where the girl would die if she had the baby?'Cause I don't think it's right for her to die,btu that's just me.

Yes I did bring up rape, and I sorta answered my own question. Yes the girl might die, but at least she had her turn to live, it may not seem fair to her, but it's not fair to the baby because it didn't ask to be there nor did anyone else

[KitsuneNoKoi]

Yes I did bring up rape, and I sorta answered my own question. Yes the girl might die, but at least she had her turn to live, it may not seem fair to her, but it's not fair to the baby because it didn't ask to be there nor did anyone else
I guess that's a way to look at it...In fact,I've never heard that argument before.Not to say I agree,but clever.

[protector13]

It isn't, I swear, that's like murder....it is murder, like killing the life of someone who didn't even have a chance to live yet, therefore abortion is not cool, just because someone ruined there life, doesn't mean they should go and kill someone who didn't stand a chance, that's just cruel and only thinking of yourself. AND, I found this on quizilla....

Month 1
Mommy, I am only 8 inches long, but I have all my organs. I love the sound of your voice. Every time I hear it, I wave my arms and legs. The sound of your heart beat is my favorite lullaby.
Month 2
Mommy, today I learned how to suck my thumb. If you could see me, you could definitely tell that I am a baby. I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though. It is so nice and warm in here.
Month 3
You know what Mommy, I'm a girl!! I hope that makes you happy. I always want you to be happy. I don't like it when you cry. You sound so sad. It makes me sad too, and I cry with you even though you can't hear me.
Month 4
Mommy, my hair is starting to grow. It is very short and fine, but I will have a lot of it. I spend a lot of my time exercising. I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes, and stretch my arms and legs. I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month 5
You went to the doctor today. Mommy, he lied to you. He said that I'm not a baby. I am a baby Mommy, your baby. I think and feel. Mommy, what's abortion?
Month 6
I can hear that doctor again. I don't like him. He seems cold and heartless. Something is intruding my home. The doctor called it a needle. Mommy what is it? It burns! Please make him stop! I can't get away from it! Mommy!! HELP me!!
Month 7
Mommy, I am okay. I am in Jesus's arms. he is holding me. He told me about abortion. Why didn't you want me, Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped. Two more eyes that will never see. Two more hands that will never touch. Two more legs that will never run. One more mouth that will never speak.

and because of this, I feel that abortion is just legal murder...


its not always wrong its not about not wanting the child what if the parent cant take care of it and for adoopt wut if some weird person adopts the kid and rases it in a sick way

[Pink Angel]

its not always wrong its not about not wanting the child what if the parent cant take care of it and for adoopt wut if some weird person adopts the kid and rases it in a sick way

the child can secretly call the cops...that or the parent can give the child to a family member or family friend, abortion isn't the only answer

[protector13]

the child can secretly call the cops...that or the parent can give the child to a family member or family friend, abortion isn't the only answer

what if the girl has no family wuz raped a bumb no money and the only day care she could afford is bad

[neurotic_nerd]

i read wat u posted and it made me cry!!!! and if the woman doesnt want the baby ,mabye she shouldnt be having sex in the first place, i mean seiriously, if you dont want the child bad enough to have murder being put on your consience for you life then its simple: DONT HAVE SEX!!!!!! it is intead to create children, so if you dont want the child, dont do it!! but if you have an undesireable need for intercourse, and you get pregnant, give it up for adoption, and yes it is that simple,, you took a risk so you live with the consiqunces for a short time(i feel disgusting talking about a baby that way but...) and a couple who wants a child but cant have one can adopt your child and you can know that you did the right thing. and as far as children of rape go....ITS NOT THE CHILD'S FAULT!!!! why kill a child for something someone else did? thats like someone killing you because your dad sexually assaulted someone! Its not fair! and if you just cant bear to look at it? again, put it up for adoption!!!!!!! abortion iss wrong!!!! the only way i can understand is if it would kill the mother. thats it.otherwise abortion is legallized murder and it is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Pink Angel]

what if the girl has no family wuz raped a bumb no money and the only day care she could afford is bad

still have the baby, go to a foster home and put the baby and herself up for adoption like in the turms of what they call 'a package'

[protector13]

i read wat u posted and it made me cry!!!! and if the woman doesnt want the baby ,mabye she shouldnt be having sex in the first place, i mean seiriously, if you dont want the child bad enough to have murder being put on your consience for you life then its simple: DONT HAVE SEX!!!!!! it is intead to create children, so if you dont want the child, dont do it!! but if you have an undesireable need for intercourse, and you get pregnant, give it up for adoption, and yes it is that simple,, you took a risk so you live with the consiqunces for a short time(i feel disgusting talking about a baby that way but...) and a couple who wants a child but cant have one can adopt your child and you can know that you did the right thing. and as far as children of rape go....ITS NOT THE CHILD'S FAULT!!!! why kill a child for something someone else did? thats like someone killing you because your dad sexually assaulted someone! Its not fair! and if you just cant bear to look at it? again, put it up for adoption!!!!!!! abortion iss wrong!!!! the only way i can understand is if it would kill the mother. thats it.otherwise abortion is legallized murder and it is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

listin here guy watch ur mouth AND ITS THE MOTHERS DICISION NOT URS SO STOP STOPING THEM TO DOING WUT HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[protector13]

still have the baby, go to a foster home and put the baby and herself up for adoption like in the turms of what they call 'a package'

WHAT IF THE BABY GETS TURNED TO A BAD FAMILY

[Pink Angel]

i read wat u posted and it made me cry!!!! and if the woman doesnt want the baby ,mabye she shouldnt be having sex in the first place, i mean seiriously, if you dont want the child bad enough to have murder being put on your consience for you life then its simple: DONT HAVE SEX!!!!!! it is intead to create children, so if you dont want the child, dont do it!! but if you have an undesireable need for intercourse, and you get pregnant, give it up for adoption, and yes it is that simple,, you took a risk so you live with the consiqunces for a short time(i feel disgusting talking about a baby that way but...) and a couple who wants a child but cant have one can adopt your child and you can know that you did the right thing. and as far as children of rape go....ITS NOT THE CHILD'S FAULT!!!! why kill a child for something someone else did? thats like someone killing you because your dad sexually assaulted someone! Its not fair! and if you just cant bear to look at it? again, put it up for adoption!!!!!!! abortion iss wrong!!!! the only way i can understand is if it would kill the mother. thats it.otherwise abortion is legallized murder and it is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

that's exactly what I think

[protector13]

that's exactly what I think

OK I GTG NOW TO EAT u people get it through ur head abortion shouldent be illigalized it should be legal now think about wut i said goodnight

[neurotic_nerd]

WHAT IF THE BABY GETS TURNED TO A BAD FAMILY

dude, thats very unlikley, and besides,atleast the kid had a chance at life.




and another thing:I WASNT TALKING TO U, U FUCING BASTERD!!! AND WATCH HOW YOU FUCIN SPEAK TO ME!!!!!!!! AND WAT THE FUC DO U MEAN BY "WAT HAS TO B DONE"??? PEOPLE DON HAVE TO HAVE SEX, AND THEY DONT HAVE TO HAVE AN ABORTION!! AND ANOTHER THING, I BELIVE THIS WAS HERE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION AND SEEING HOEW YOUR OPINION SUX @$$ I WOUDNT B TALKING!!!!!





and also i am a girl, not a guy.

[Pink Angel]

WHAT IF THE BABY GETS TURNED TO A BAD FAMILY

before someone can adopt a child, the adoption agentsy (whatever) looks at their background for any criminal records, charges, everything and if the parent just is bad then when the baby gets older and is abused, she can just....runaway....or act up so bad that the family would want to put her up for adoption....no the city would take the child from the home, that's how that works

[neurotic_nerd]

before someone can adopt a child, the adoption agentsy (whatever) looks at their background for any criminal records, charges, everything and if the parent just is bad then when the baby gets older and is abused, she can just....runaway....or act up so bad that the family would want to put her up for adoption....no the city would take the child from the home, that's how that works

this is wat i would have said if i wasnt pi$$ed.

[Pink Angel]

this is wat i would have said if i wasnt pi$$ed.

great minds think alike!

[neurotic_nerd]

great minds think alike!

zigactly!!! ferpectly right!

[Pink Angel]

zigactly!!! ferpectly right!

:D :D :D :D

[Guendolen_Sama]

It most certainly is likely, and it's not all about criminal background checks and so forth. Not all adoptive parents are wonderful warm people. This has happened in my own family. I have an uncle and aunt who adopted a child because they couldn't have one. They may not have had the criminal background or whatever, but they were people who had no business having the care and raising of a child. Said child grew up basically entirely messed up, a thief and vandal. Adoption isn't always a rosy and wonderful thing. In the best situation, it is. But a person can pass the tests and still be an unfit parent, as I have personally witnessed. Also, your outburst at the bottom was completely uncalled for. Saying to a person in a serious debate that their opinion "sux" just makes you come across as juvenile and immature. If you feel so strongly, please take the time to argue it in a logical and coherent fashion, instead of simply blowing up at someone like that.

dude, thats very unlikley, and besides,atleast the kid had a chance at life.




and another thing:I WASNT TALKING TO U, U FUCING BASTERD!!! AND WATCH HOW YOU FUCIN SPEAK TO ME!!!!!!!! AND WAT THE FUC DO U MEAN BY "WAT HAS TO B DONE"??? PEOPLE DON HAVE TO HAVE SEX, AND THEY DONT HAVE TO HAVE AN ABORTION!! AND ANOTHER THING, I BELIVE THIS WAS HERE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION AND SEEING HOEW YOUR OPINION SUX @$$ I WOUDNT B TALKING!!!!!





and also i am a girl, not a guy.

[fighterkid]

Off course there is a chance, that the baby comes in a family, were it isn't treated right. But there are also baby's that came into good families, and that are now happy!!

I am against abortion except if the mother will die, in case of rape, or something else that is really bad. But if people have unprotected sex then it's not smart. Everybody know that you can be pregnant then.

[fighterkid]

listin here guy watch ur mouth AND ITS THE MOTHERS DICISION NOT URS SO STOP STOPING THEM TO DOING WUT HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't agree with what you are saying!!!!!!!
It's also the fathers decision, it's also his child. I know it's te body of the women, but if the father want to take care of the baby, then the should not be aborted.

This happent in my family , what is still pissing me of.

My cousin(25 years) had unprotected sex with his girlfriend. His girlfriend got pregnant, she didn't told it to my cousin ( father). So she aborted the baby, a week after she did it she told it to my cousin. He was so upset, because he could take care of the baby, he would love it.
So that bi.tch trew the baby's future away:mad: ( it's dead ) and it could have a very good life with my cousin. :mad:

[dart22333]

ya but aving a baby is the women choice the father cant stop her

even if he rely wants it he cant well if the mother say ist ok he can take care of it but ist still the women choise

[fighterkid]

ya but aving a baby is the women choice the father cant stop her

even if he rely wants it he cant well if the mother say ist ok he can take care of it but ist still the women choise

yeah i partly understand that, cause the women have to bare it. It's in her body. But she can make a choice; Kill the baby or don't abort the baby, and it will have a good future with the father.

that's so obvious, if the women then choose to abort it, then she just selfish.

[Akai_Tenshi]

yeah i partly understand that, cause the women have to bare it. It's in her body. But she can make a choice; Kill the baby or don't abort the baby, and it will have a good future with the father.

that's so obvious, if the women then choose to abort it, then she just selfish.

I agree, but it may not be that easy :P

[fighterkid]

I agree, but it may not be that easy :P

that's true, ;)

[dart22333]

well we can say the same to evrybody when a guy masturbete he kill 4000 millions possible life

[rose7]

but an actual formed baby with hands and already formed personality is different

[dart22333]

no ist the same it have a different shepe but ist still the same and when ist in the time to abort tha mean you cant after the 6 trimest but if ist not that old it as no organ ist brain ist even form tus it is the same

[Pink Angel]

.......errrr...........yeaaaah

[dead sephiroth]

abortion is really not cruel sometimes it necessary cuz the girl might be to young 2 raise and doesnt want 2 hav 2 no she gave her baby 2 another family:coolmonkey

[Death-Soldier]

put the kid up 4 adoption

[dead sephiroth]

put the kid up 4 adoption

dude no thats hard on a mother just like abortion:angrymonkey :coolmonkey :angrymonkey :coolmonkey

[zippythewild]

i think sometimes its best to get an abortion because if you put the child up for adoption you have to give birth to it first. And when you give birth to it, you might fall in love with it when you see it. That would be hard to give it up once youve seen it

[dead sephiroth]

i think sometimes its best to get an abortion because if you put the child up for adoption you have to give birth to it first. And when you give birth to it, you might fall in love with it when you see it. That would be hard to give it up once youve seen it

i agree wit my hot gf